On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 2:25 PM Guido van Rossum <gu...@python.org> wrote:
> I know PEP 646 was one of these. > I purposefully didn't "out" anyone, but yes. 😄 > In our defense, we *did* notify the SC that there was a pending issue ( > https://github.com/python/steering-council/issues/59#issuecomment-951728233), > although at the time we didn't anticipate it to become such a contentious > discussion between the PEP authors. > You definitely did, but I know I had personally assumed it was already resolved and committed based on the wording being past tense and the change being classified as small. > (Though, while contentious, it's still a minor edge case in the PEP, and I > don't think it would affect the SC's position which way we eventually end > up going.) > Yeah, probably not a big deal in the end. > > I'm guessing that the recommended approach in such a case is just to close > the SC issue and reopen it once the PEP is updated? > Yeah, I think so. Just saying something like, "closing this for now as we have discovered something that we need to resolve first; will re-open and leave a comment when we are ready again" is helpful to let us know to simply halt thinking and discussing the PEP. > > On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 12:04 PM Brett Cannon <br...@python.org> wrote: > >> This is a personal plea (i.e. not coming from the SC at all), but in the >> last month we have had PEPs changed twice post-submission to the SC. That's >> a big time sink as we take multiple meetings to discuss a PEP and having >> things change underneath us causes us to have to re-evaluate our >> discussions (and I know I pretty much start thinking about PEPs once they >> are submitted, whether we are actively discussing them or not and I'm >> probably not the only SC member who does this). >> >> I know no one did this maliciously or anything, but since it's happened >> twice now I just want to ask people be cognizant of this. Please reach out >> to the SC if you want to make a change so we can discuss whether we think >> it will help/hurt the PEP, etc. and we are also not taken off-guard by >> things shifting (assume we don't monitor the commits and PRs to the peps >> repo, so unless you explicitly say, "hold on", we won't realize discussions >> are ongoing in a PR or anything). If that means withdrawing your PEP for >> consideration for a while that's totally fine and it won't hurt your >> chances of acceptance once you're at a stable state with your PEP. >> >> Once again, this is a personal ask and no one is mad at anyone. I'm just >> asking people be very clear in communicating with us when they want to make >> a change to a PEP or they have suddenly have an open issue they are still >> discussing after they open an issue in the steering-council repo for us to >> review a PEP and need us to stop considering their PEP for a while. >> _______________________________________________ >> Python-Dev mailing list -- python-dev@python.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to python-dev-le...@python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/python-dev.python.org/ >> Message archived at >> https://mail.python.org/archives/list/python-dev@python.org/message/ZLC3H2XLEYJLFV3TRQ2EWRKRGZZ7DRMC/ >> Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ >> > > > -- > --Guido van Rossum (python.org/~guido) > *Pronouns: he/him **(why is my pronoun here?)* > <http://feministing.com/2015/02/03/how-using-they-as-a-singular-pronoun-can-change-the-world/> >
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