Zooko O'Whielacronx wrote:
[snip...]
Would it be possible for Python unicode objects to have a flag
indicating whether the 'python-escape' error handler was present?  That
would serve the same purpose as my "failed_decode" flag above, and would
basically allow me to use the Python APIs directory and make all this
work-around code disappear.

Failing that, I can't see any way to use the os.listdir() in its
unicode-oriented mode to satisfy Tahoe's requirements.

If you take the above code and then add the fact that you want to use
the failed_decode flag when *encoding* the d argument to os.listdir(),
then you get this code: [2].

Oh, I just realized that I *could* use the PEP 383 os.listdir(), like
this:

def listdir(d):
    fse = sys.getfilesystemencoding()
    if fse == 'utf-8b':
        fse = 'utf-8'
    ns = []
    for fn in os.listdir(d):
        bytes = fn.encode(fse, 'python-escape')
        try:
            ns.append(FName(bytes.decode(fse, 'strict')))
        except UnicodeDecodeError:
            ns.append(FName(fn.decode('utf-8', 'python-escape'),
                      failed_decode=True))
    return ns

(And I guess I could define listdir() like this only on the
non-unicode-safe platforms, as above.)

However, that strikes me as even more horrible than the previous
"listdir()" work-around, in part because it means decoding, re-encoding,
and re-decoding every name, so I think I would stick with the previous
version.

The current unicode mode would skip the filenames you are interested (those that fail to decode correctly) - so you would have been forced to use the bytes mode. If you need access to the original bytes then you should continue to do this. PEP-383 is entirely neutral for your use case as far as I can see.

Michael

Oh, one more note: for Tahoe's purposes you can, in all of the code
above, replace ".decode('utf-8', 'python-replace')" with
".decode('windows-1252')" and it works just as well.  While UTF-8b seems
like a really cool hack, and it would produce more legible results if
utf-8-encoded strings were partially corrupted, I guess I should just
use 'windows-1252' which is already implemented in Python 2 (as well as
in all other software in the world).

I guess this means that PEP 383, which I have approved of and liked so
far in this discussion, would actually not help Tahoe at all and would
in fact harm Tahoe -- I would have to remember to detect and work-around
the automatic 'utf-8b' filesystem encoding when porting Tahoe to Python
3.

If anyone else has a concrete, real use case which would be helped by
PEP 383, I would like to hear about it.  Perhaps Tahoe can learn
something from it.

Oh, if this PEP could be extended to add a flag to each unicode object
indicating whether it was created with the python-escape handler or not,
then it would be useful to me.

Regards,

Zooko

[1] http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2009-April/089020.html
[2] http://allmydata.org/trac/tahoe/attachment/ticket/534/fsencode.3.py
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