On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 06:57:54PM +0200, "Martin v. L?wis" wrote: > > "Infrastructure" sounds to me like code for "money". > > No, it's rather "volunteer time". Of course, people keep proposing > that this should be replaced by hired time that gets paid from > donations, but all such proposals so far got stuck at implementation > details (i.e. it's actual work that nobody has done). > > > How much of the > > PSF's money, for instance, comes from organizations whose primary > > interest is still Python2? How many of them are only or principally > > only interested in Python3? Then again, how much of the PSF's budget > > goes toward infrastructure? > > The first two questions are difficult to answer: the PSF doesn't > maintain records of what Python versions are of primary interest > to sponsor members. A significant portion of the donations comes > from the conference surplus (being saved for the also-likely risk > of a massive conference loss); in this case, it's even difficult to > identify the donors (as you can't really attribute the surplus to > being from, say, attendee fees, as opposed to conference sponsors). > > As for the budget that goes into infrastructure: you'll find the details > in the treasurer reports, but it is comparatively minor and goes > primarily into hardware purchases. Connectivity and colocation is > donated by companies who may not have an actual interest in Python > at all (e.g. XS4ALL, which do this out of a general support for > free software and in positive recollection of their former employee > Thomas Wouters).
I'd just like to add my 2c that AFAICT the volunteer effort that goes into Python, and in particular into python-dev and the infrastructure foo, absolutely *dwarfs* all other aspects of "official" Python and PSF (including $$ in all forms). So, good job, -dev guys! But they're already pretty overwhelmed. Independent of talk, unless there's a proposal to continue 2.x that actually involves someone *new* stepping up to put in hugely substantial and ridiculously large amounts of seriously expert time, I don't see the point of talking about it. cheers, --titus p.s. I would be happy to enter into discussions on how to clone Martin and others, though. I just need some epithelial cells, I think. And about $20 bn dollars, and relocation to Israel (which I think has the best combination of tech and human use guidelines for cloning). Martin's permission is not *strictly* necessary but should probably be obtained, too. p.p.s. The PSF isn't foolish enough to let me speak for them, in case anyone is wondering. -- C. Titus Brown, c...@msu.edu _______________________________________________ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
