On 19.02.2013 23:01, Daniel Holth wrote: > On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 4:34 PM, M.-A. Lemburg <m...@egenix.com> wrote: > >> On 19.02.2013 14:40, Nick Coghlan wrote: >>> On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 11:23 PM, M.-A. Lemburg <m...@egenix.com> wrote: >>>> * PEP 426 doesn't include any mention of the egg distribution format, >>>> even though it's the most popular distribution format at the moment. >>>> It should at least include the location of the metadata file >>>> in eggs (EGG-INFO/PKG-INFO) and egg installations >>>> (<eggdir>/EGG-INFO/PKG-INFO). >>> >>> "Other tools involved in Python distribution may also use this format." >>> >>> The egg format has never been, and never will be, officially endorsed >>> by python-dev. The wheel format is the standard format for binary >>> distribution, and PEP 376 defines the standard location for metadata >>> on installed distributions. >> >> Oh, come on, Nick, that's just silly. setuptools was included in stdlib >> for a short while, so the above is simply wrong. Eggs are the most >> widely used binary distribution format for Python package on PyPI: >> >> # wc *files.csv >> 25585 25598 1431013 2013-02-19-egg-files.csv >> 4619 4640 236694 2013-02-19-exe-files.csv >> 254 255 13402 2013-02-19-msi-files.csv >> 104691 104853 5251962 2013-02-19-tar-gz-files.csv >> 24 24 1221 2013-02-19-whl-files.csv >> 17937 18022 905913 2013-02-19-zip-files.csv >> 153110 153392 7840205 total >> >> (based on todays PyPI stats) >> >> It doesn't really help ignoring realities... and I'm saying >> that as one of the core devs who got setuptools kicked out of >> the stdlib again. >> >> -- >> Marc-Andre Lemburg >> eGenix.com >> > > The wheel philosophy is that it should be supported by both python-dev and > setuptools and that you should feel happy about using setuptools if you > like it whether or not python-dev (currently) endorses that. If you are > using setuptools (distribute's pkg_resources) then you can use both at the > same time. > > Distribute, distutils and setuptools' problems have not been well > understood which I think is why there has been a need to discredit > setuptools by calling it non-standard. It is the defacto standard. If your > packages have dependencies there is no other choice. Wheel tries to solve > the real problem by allowing you to build a package with setuptools while > giving the end-user the choice of installing setuptools or not. > > Of course eggs are the most popular right now. The wheel format is very > egg-like while avoiding some of egg's problems. See the comparison in the > PEP or read the story on wheel's rtfd. The wheel project includes tools to > losslessly convert eggs or bdist_wininst to wheel.
That's all fine, but it doesn't explain the refusal to add the documentation of the location of the PKG-INFO file in eggs ? > I am confident distlib can thrive outside of the standard library! Why the > rush to kill it before its prime? Who's trying to kill distlib ? -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Source (#1, Feb 19 2013) >>> Python Projects, Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC.Zope/Plone.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ::::: Try our mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! :::::: eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ _______________________________________________ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
