On 24 September 2014 03:05, Steve Dower <steve.do...@microsoft.com> wrote:
> Larry Hastings wrote:
>>
>> On 09/19/2014 03:31 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote:
>> I think we need a Python 3.5 Release Schedule PEP.
>>
>> Just checked it in as PEP 478.  It should show up here in a few minutes:
>> http://legacy.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0478/
>>
>> Key facts:
>> . Beta 1 is May 24th 2015, about a month after the end of the PyCon US 2015 
>> sprints.
>> . Final release is September 13, 2015, just over a year from now.
>>
>> Comments?
>
> Martin is no longer producing the Windows installers - that task has been 
> handed to me. I'm planning to have a rewritten installer (also in the same 
> repo) that should be easier to modify and maintain, as well as being able to 
> produce alternative packages (such as a Python 3.5 or stdlib merge module, 
> for example), though that doesn't necessarily need to go into the PEP.
>
> I'm also considering/experimenting with installing into "Program Files" by 
> default, but I suspect that isn't going to work out yet.
>
> I'd like to move the Windows versions onto the next release of VC (currently 
> "VC 14" until the branding team figures out what to call it). There isn't a 
> promised RTM date for VC 14 yet, so it looks like the best available compiler 
> by Beta 1 will be a "Go Live" RC. (The "Go Live" marking basically means "we 
> think this is ready for use, but expect a round of minor updates/fixes soon - 
> the compiler is least likely to be updated, my guess is that it'll be Visual 
> Studio UI mostly).
>
> I personally don't have any qualms about using the RC compiler for Beta 1, 
> and Beta 2 will almost certainly use VC 14 RTM, but I know when I proposed 
> this topic that some people were concerned about having the final version 
> available for Python 3.5 Beta.
>
> So far I've been building regularly with internal versions of VC and haven't 
> been hitting any major issues with Python (OpenSSL has some issues, but I've 
> been filing bugs on both sides so they should be worked out soon enough). My 
> work is at http://hg.python.org/sandbox/steve.dower (branch: VC14) for anyone 
> interested.
>
> For the alphas, I'm contemplating producing two builds (VC 10 and VC 14), but 
> I obviously want to settle on one or the other by Beta. Last time we 
> discussed it, there was strong support for changing compiler, but I have a 
> better idea of the timeline now and it's tighter than I thought...
>
> Thoughts, anyone?

It's ultimately up to Larry as RM, but I'd personally favour targeting
the newer compiler and runtime, even with the slight risk of
potentially needing to slip our schedule. There's also a fair amount
of wiggle room between the first beta and the first release candidate.

Regards,
Nick.

-- 
Nick Coghlan   |   ncogh...@gmail.com   |   Brisbane, Australia
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