I agree with MAL and have also been on the Trademarks Committee for 8-9 years. Protecting an actual Mark like the logo is fine, as painful as it is to someone's say no to an attractive derived logo. But trying to protect a look-and-feel is way too far down the path of evil (it's what some proprietary companies we want to be different from do). Moreover, when when that's done it's not generally as trademark but as "trade dress" copyright... which is a concept I opposed ethically, but know it's the usual legal instrument.
On May 28, 2017 5:08 AM, "M.-A. Lemburg" <m...@egenix.com> wrote: > I'm -1 on going down the suggested route of Apple et al. for an > open source language. > > We don't need more trademarks to "protect" ourselves against > fellow open source projects. > > I see this whole trademark business that OSS projects are getting > into in recent years in a more and more critical light. > > On one hand you have the open source idea, where you want to enable > anyone to reuse your code. The OSS copyright licenses implement this > idea nicely. > > On the other hand, you have trademark law which limits > this reusability by imposing strict rules on how you can reuse the > names, designs, colors, etc. trademarked by the OSS project (or > else - TM lawyers tell you - you lose the rights to the TMs). > > The latter has to be handled with great care, since while you > do want to protect the trademarks against malicious use by third > parties (e.g. a company registering the same mark and then preventing > use of the trademark in their jurisdiction), you don't want to > hinder the original intent of having an open source license. In > particular, you don't want to bully community projects which try to > further the use of our open source software by using similar marks. > > In my role as PSF TM committee member, it's often painful to have to > tell community members that they cannot use e.g. really nice looking > variants of the Python logo for their projects. Let's not add more > pain. > > If you want to make PSF related projects be recognized as such, > simply add the PSF logo to the footer of the site and provide > some blurb explaining the relationships to the about page. > > We could also have a special "PSF Project" logo for such a > purpose. Use of the logo would then be subject to the TM > requirements, but not the looks and UI of the site. > > > > On 28.05.2017 07:31, Nick Coghlan wrote: > > On 28 May 2017 at 06:54, Guido van Rossum <gvanros...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Are you also going to stop others from using the psf theme? > > > > I think it would definitely make sense to discourage the use of this > > particular theme for projects that aren't relatively directly > > affiliated with the PSF - there are plenty of other pip-installable > > high contrast themes out there that aren't closely associated with a > > particular backing organisation. > > > > The one Jon was originally considering for the PyPA docs was > > Alabaster, which is now the default theme in Sphinx 1.3+: > > https://alabaster.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ > > > > So I think it would be appropriate to include a sentence like the > > following in the README for psf-docs-theme: > > > > "Please limit use of this theme to projects which are closely > > affiliated with the Python Software Foundation, and have permission > > from either the CPython core development team or the PSF itself for > > such use. For other projects looking for a simple, high contrast, pip > > installable Sphinx theme, we recommend the Alabaster theme used by > > default in Sphinx 1.3+." > > > > Cheers, > > Nick. > > > > -- > Marc-Andre Lemburg > eGenix.com > > Professional Python Services directly from the Experts (#1, May 28 2017) > >>> Python Projects, Coaching and Consulting ... http://www.egenix.com/ > >>> Python Database Interfaces ... http://products.egenix.com/ > >>> Plone/Zope Database Interfaces ... http://zope.egenix.com/ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > ::: We implement business ideas - efficiently in both time and costs ::: > > eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 > D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg > Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 > http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ > http://www.malemburg.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Python-Dev mailing list > Python-Dev@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev > Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/ > mertz%40gnosis.cx >
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