On 8 November 2017 at 18:56, Barry Warsaw <ba...@python.org> wrote:
> On Nov 8, 2017, at 08:47, Guido van Rossum <gu...@python.org> wrote:
>>
>> You seem to have missed Nick's posts where he clearly accepts that a middle 
>> ground is necessary. R D Murray is also still unconvinced. (And obviously I 
>> myself am against reverting to the behavior from 7 years ago.) If we can't 
>> agree on some middle ground, the status quo will be maintained.
>
> I haven’t seen a response to my suggestion, so it’s possible that it got 
> missed in the flurry.  With coordination with setuptools, we could:
>
> * Re-enable DeprecationWarning by default
> * Add a simplified API for specifically silencing DeprecationWarnings
> * Modify setuptools to call this API for generated entry point scripts
>
> I think this would mean that most application users would still not see the 
> warnings.  The simplified API would be available for handcrafted scripts to 
> call to accomplish the same thing the setuptools enhancement would provide.  
> Developers would see DeprecationWarnings in their development and test 
> environments.
>
> The simplified API would be the equivalent of ignore::DeprecationWarning, so 
> with some additional documentation even versions of applications running on 
> versions of Python < 3.7 would still have an “out”.  (Yes, the simplified API 
> is just a convenience moving forward.)

pip uses distutils for its script wrappers, but uses its own script
template, so it'd need a pip change too (which means it'd be in pip 10
but not earlier versions).

Paul
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