On Sun, Aug 14, 2016 at 11:59:56AM +1200, Greg Ewing 
<greg.ew...@canterbury.ac.nz> wrote:
> Oleg Broytman wrote:
> 
> >   From the recent and not so recent discussions of Moxi Marlinspike
> >about centralized vs decentralized solutions (unfederated messaging vs
> >email/jabber): "Indeed, cannibalizing a federated application-layer
> >protocol into a centralized service is almost a sure recipe for a
> >successful consumer product today. It's what Slack did with IRC, what
> >Facebook did with email, and what WhatsApp has done with XMPP. In each
> >case, the federated service is stuck in time, while the centralized
> >service is able to iterate into the modern world and beyond.".
> 
> If I've managed to unravel that pile of buzzwords and tortured
> metaphors correctly, what he seems to be saying is "Locking you
> into a proprietary messaging system is good for you, really,
> believe me."

   I disagree with him on many grounds, but many people agree. Email, as
we constantly hear, stuck in XIX century. Centralized proprietary
messaging deliver people from the necessity to learn email tools and
from necessity to use those horrible tools (the fact that they need to
learn their shiny new web tools and that those proprietary apps are also
quite horrible is usually disregarded).

> -- 
> Greg

Oleg.
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     Oleg Broytman            http://phdru.name/            p...@phdru.name
           Programmers don't die, they just GOSUB without RETURN.
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