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> On 26 Jan 2017, at 18:28, python-ideas-requests > @python.org wrote: > > Send Python-ideas mailing list submissions to > python-ideas@python.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-ideas > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > python-ideas-requ...@python.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > python-ideas-ow...@python.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Python-ideas digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: globals should accept parenteses for extending beyond 1 > line (Nick Coghlan) > 2. Is it Python 3 yet? (Victor Stinner) > 3. Re: Is it Python 3 yet? (Paul Moore) > 4. Re: Is it Python 3 yet? (Ryan Birmingham) > 5. Re: Is it Python 3 yet? (Nick Timkovich) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 17:02:55 +0100 > From: Nick Coghlan <ncogh...@gmail.com> > To: MRAB <pyt...@mrabarnett.plus.com> > Cc: "python-ideas@python.org" <python-ideas@python.org> > Subject: Re: [Python-ideas] globals should accept parenteses for > extending beyond 1 line > Message-ID: > <cadisq7f9s6fum53t+ip5ecbhdeqrvwg+ihw0x7t4qepasr5...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > >> On 23 January 2017 at 22:29, MRAB <pyt...@mrabarnett.plus.com> wrote: >>> On 2017-01-23 20:09, Nick Timkovich wrote: >>> >>> Related and probably more common is the need for the line-continuation >>> operator for long/multiple context managers with "with". I assume that's >>> come up before, but was it also just a low priority rather than any >>> technical reason? >>> >> It has come up before, and there is a technical reason, namely the syntactic >> ambiguity when parsing. Not impossible to fix, but probably not worth the >> added complexity. > > Right, it's the fact parentheses are already allowed there, but mean > something quite different: > >>>> with (1, 2, 3): pass > ... > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module> > AttributeError: __enter__ > > These days, I'd personally be in favour of changing the parsing of > parentheses in that situation, as if we were going to add meaningful > context management behaviour to tuples we would have done it by now, > and having the name bindings next to their expressions is easier to > read than having them all at the end: > > with (cm1() as a, > cm2() as b, > cm3() as c): > ... > > Relative to tuples-as-context-managers, such an approach would also > avoid reintroducing the old resource management problems that saw > contextlib.nested removed and replaced with contextlib.ExitStack. > > Cheers, > Nick. > > -- > Nick Coghlan | ncogh...@gmail.com | Brisbane, Australia > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 17:11:17 +0100 > From: Victor Stinner <victor.stin...@gmail.com> > To: python-ideas <python-ideas@python.org> > Subject: [Python-ideas] Is it Python 3 yet? > Message-ID: > <CAMpsgwbOmZHYtV87OxABeb=e6ujUy0tOtiQEg7T=owog7pe...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Hi, > > The download button of https://www.python.org/ currently gives the > choice between Python 2.7 and 3.6. I read more and more articles > saying that we reached a point where Python 3 became more popular than > Python 2, Python 3 has now enough new features to convince developers, > etc. > > Is it time to "hide" Python 2.7 from the default choice and only show > Python 3.6 *by default*? > > For example, I expect a single big [DOWNLOAD] button which would start > the download of Python 3.6 for my platform. > > If we cannot agree on hiding Python 2 by default, maybe we can at > least replace the big [DOWNLOAD] button of Python 2 with a smaller > button or replace it with a link to a different download page? > > Latest news: Django 2.0 and Pyramid 2.0 will simply drop Python 2 support. > > Victor > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 16:21:30 +0000 > From: Paul Moore <p.f.mo...@gmail.com> > To: Victor Stinner <victor.stin...@gmail.com> > Cc: python-ideas <python-ideas@python.org> > Subject: Re: [Python-ideas] Is it Python 3 yet? > Message-ID: > <CACac1F_8sp0337BUFkSh-f=Aqvt01NkNTrinwCg=verb-ho...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > >> On 26 January 2017 at 16:11, Victor Stinner <victor.stin...@gmail.com> wrote: >> The download button of https://www.python.org/ currently gives the >> choice between Python 2.7 and 3.6. I read more and more articles >> saying that we reached a point where Python 3 became more popular than >> Python 2, Python 3 has now enough new features to convince developers, >> etc. >> >> Is it time to "hide" Python 2.7 from the default choice and only show >> Python 3.6 *by default*? >> >> For example, I expect a single big [DOWNLOAD] button which would start >> the download of Python 3.6 for my platform. > > +1 > > On a similar note, I always get caught out by the fact that the > Windows default download is the 32-bit version. Are we not yet at a > point where a sufficient majority of users have 64-bit machines, and > 32-bit should be seen as a "specialist" choice? > > Paul > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 11:23:23 -0500 > From: Ryan Birmingham <rainventi...@gmail.com> > To: Victor Stinner <victor.stin...@gmail.com> > Cc: python-ideas <python-ideas@python.org> > Subject: Re: [Python-ideas] Is it Python 3 yet? > Message-ID: > <CAJU2dcqizWz+A1-H3z=neertyzelgfzrhmzmogclgjaftcc...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > It's certainly an interesting transition period. > I'm not sure that the community is quite ready to just drop 2.7, but we > could take a hint from angular <https://angularjs.org/>'s solution to this > issue and use small descriptions to guide more people to 3.6 rather than > 2.7, then move to 2.7 being substantially smaller, then eventually to > dropping 2.7. > > -Ryan Birmingham > > On 26 January 2017 at 11:11, Victor Stinner <victor.stin...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> The download button of https://www.python.org/ currently gives the >> choice between Python 2.7 and 3.6. I read more and more articles >> saying that we reached a point where Python 3 became more popular than >> Python 2, Python 3 has now enough new features to convince developers, >> etc. >> >> Is it time to "hide" Python 2.7 from the default choice and only show >> Python 3.6 *by default*? >> >> For example, I expect a single big [DOWNLOAD] button which would start >> the download of Python 3.6 for my platform. >> >> If we cannot agree on hiding Python 2 by default, maybe we can at >> least replace the big [DOWNLOAD] button of Python 2 with a smaller >> button or replace it with a link to a different download page? >> >> Latest news: Django 2.0 and Pyramid 2.0 will simply drop Python 2 support. >> >> Victor >> _______________________________________________ >> Python-ideas mailing list >> Python-ideas@python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-ideas >> Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-ideas/attachments/20170126/4e0db564/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 10:27:57 -0600 > From: Nick Timkovich <prometheus...@gmail.com> > To: Victor Stinner <victor.stin...@gmail.com> > Cc: python-ideas <python-ideas@python.org> > Subject: Re: [Python-ideas] Is it Python 3 yet? > Message-ID: > <CAHkxivcEJ_w8vkLy9Zu9sxT7i8WTsfuTty-t=iojhbxp_6g...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > After Django 1.11 (alpha 1 out now, final in few months, LTS EOL 2020) was > branched out from master on GH, it was pretty impressive & heartening to > see massive commits against master that removed Python 2 compatibility from > such a popular library. > > On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Victor Stinner <victor.stin...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> The download button of https://www.python.org/ currently gives the >> choice between Python 2.7 and 3.6. I read more and more articles >> saying that we reached a point where Python 3 became more popular than >> Python 2, Python 3 has now enough new features to convince developers, >> etc. >> >> Is it time to "hide" Python 2.7 from the default choice and only show >> Python 3.6 *by default*? >> >> For example, I expect a single big [DOWNLOAD] button which would start >> the download of Python 3.6 for my platform. >> >> If we cannot agree on hiding Python 2 by default, maybe we can at >> least replace the big [DOWNLOAD] button of Python 2 with a smaller >> button or replace it with a link to a different download page? >> >> Latest news: Django 2.0 and Pyramid 2.0 will simply drop Python 2 support. >> >> Victor >> _______________________________________________ >> Python-ideas mailing list >> Python-ideas@python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-ideas >> Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-ideas/attachments/20170126/b1d09ba7/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Python-ideas mailing list > Python-ideas@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-ideas > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Python-ideas Digest, Vol 122, Issue 100 > ********************************************** _______________________________________________ Python-ideas mailing list Python-ideas@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-ideas Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
