Hi Michel, That's exactly why I proposed a `pip` function available from the Python prompt. I suppose you could still tell your students to copy/paste the following into their Python interpreter.
def pip(args): import sys import subprocess subprocess.check_call([sys.executable, "-m", "pip"] + args.split()) print("Please restart Python now to use installed or upgraded packages.") I suppose an alternative is to set up jupyterhub https://jupyterhub.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ and let all your students just access that from a webbrowser. Stephan 2017-11-06 7:47 GMT+01:00 Michel Desmoulin <desmoulinmic...@gmail.com>: > Hello, > > Today I'm going to give a training in Python again. > > And again it will go the same way. > > On Mac I will have to make people install python, then tell them to use > pip3. > > On Windows, I will have to warn them about checking the "add python > executable to system path" (that one of them will ALWAYS miss anyway). > Then tell them to use py -3.x -m pip because some of them will have > several versions of Python installed. > > Then on linux, I will tell them to install python-pip and python-venv > and use python3 -m pip. > > I'll talk about --user, but commands won't be usable on some machine > where the Scripts or bin dir is not in the system path. > > Then I will make them create a virtualenv so that they can avoid messing > with their system python and finally can just use "pip install" like in > most tutorials on the Web. > > And eventually I'll talk about pipenv and conda. The first one so they > don't have to think about activating the virtualenv everytime, or pip > freeze, or create the venv, or add it to gitignore, etc. The second > because anaconda is very popular on windows. > > There is no way a beginner is going to get any that by themselves > without a lot of time and pain. They will read some tutorial on the web > and struggle to make sens of what pip is and why "pip install" doesn't > work and why "python sucks". > > I think Python is offering an incredible experience for first timer. > However, the whole "where is walpip" shenanigans is not one of them. > > I really want some people from this list to discuss here so we can find > a way to either unify a bit the way we install and use pip, or find a > way to express a tutorial that always works for people on the most > popular platforms and spread the word so that any doc uses it. > > Michel > > _______________________________________________ > Python-ideas mailing list > Python-ideas@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-ideas > Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ >
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