I'm not sure I understand the motivation to make elements *sortable* but not comparable. If an arbitrary order is still useful, I'd think you'd want to be able to tell how two particular elements *would* sort by asking a<b.
On Dec 3, 2017 6:55 PM, "Bruce Leban" <br...@leban.us> wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 3:06 PM, Chris Barker <chris.bar...@noaa.gov> > wrote: > >> >> However, if you are writing a custom class ... <snip> >> >> But what if there was a sort key magic method: >> >> __key__ or __sort_key__ (or whatever) >> >> that would be called by the sorting functions <snip> >> >> It seems this would provide a easy way to make custom classes sortable >> that would be nicer for end users (not writing key functions), and possibly >> more performant in the "usual" case. >> > > On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 4:57 PM, Steven D'Aprano <st...@pearwood.info> > wrote: > >> >> This shows the problem with putting the key function into the data type. >> What if I want to sort AttrDicts by their list of keys instead? Or their >> (key, value) pairs? What is so special about sorting by ID (which may >> not even exist!) that it deserves to be part of the AttrDict itself? > > > I think you're arguing against this for the wrong reason. Chris was > talking about custom classes having the *option* of making them sortable > by providing a key method in the class definition. This strikes me as > useful and I can imagine having used this if it were available. What you're > saying is that there are classes which probably shouldn't define a > __sort_key__ function, which I quite agree with. But I don't think it's a > good argument against this proposal. > > > On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 3:06 PM, Chris Barker <chris.bar...@noaa.gov> > wrote: > >> Am I imagining the performance benefits? >> > > Maybe. Looking strictly at O(-) cost, there's no difference between a key > function and comparison operators. Sure it might potentially only make O(n) > calls to the key function and O(n log n) calls to compare the keys vs. O(n > log n) calls to the comparator functions but that might not actually be > faster. There certainly are cases where implementing a key function would > be quite slow. > > --- Bruce > > _______________________________________________ > Python-ideas mailing list > Python-ideas@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-ideas > Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ > >
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