You have missed the use of *reductio ad absurdum* in my comment and several others. This argument structure is one of the fundamental forms of good logical reasoning, and shows nothing dismissive or insulting. The specifics book titles I used were carefully chosen, and you'd do well to think about why those specific books (and read all of them, if you haven't).
On Sat, Sep 15, 2018, 11:40 PM Franklin? Lee <leewangzhong+pyt...@gmail.com> wrote: > I am very disappointed with the responses to this thread. We have > mockery, dismissiveness, and even insinuations about OP's > psychological health. Whether or not OP is a troll, and whether or not > OP's idea has merit, that kind of response is unnecessary and > unhelpful. > > (While I lean toward OP being a troll, the fact that the OP's name is > the same as a Canadian actress is insignificant. Chinese surnames are > single-syllable, there are only so many one-syllable surnames, and > "Samantha" is a common-enough name.) > > Since Antoine challenged Calvin to name names, I will name names. If > the thread devolves into one-on-one fights, then you'll know why > Calvin didn't do it. > > Antoine: > - Accusing the OP of not being open-minded for proposing (not > "insisting on"!) the idea at all. > "You ask others to be open-minded, but fail to show such an > attitude yourself." > - Labeling the OP's position as reactionary, and intolerant. > "And, as a French person, I have to notice this is yet another > attempt to impose reactionary, intolerant American politics on the > rest of the world (or of the Python community)." > > David Mertz: Sarcastically suggesting that we burn programming books > if they use "beautiful" in their titles. > > Chris Angelico: This implied accusation: > "Not everyone assumes the worst about words." > > Oleg: > - Dismissing the whole post as a troll.* > "Nice trolling, go on! :-D" > - Calling the OP's idea stupid, and calling a different (settled) > decision stupid. (One can argue Oleg isn't really calling anything > stupid, but I preemptively say that's a stupid argument.) > "Removing master/slave is almost as stupid as ugly/beautiful." > - Dismissing the stance as oversensitive offense-taking. > "People shouldn't try and take personal offense to things that > haven't been applied to them personally, or, even worse, complain > about a term applied to anything/anyone else in a way they perceive to > be offensive." > - Mockery: The entire email with this line is spent on mockery: > 'I also propose to ban the following technical terms that carry > dark meanings: "abort", "kill" and "execute" (stop the genocide!) ...' > > Greg: Another email spent entirely on mockery: > """If we're going to object to "slave", we should object to > "robot" as well, since it's derived from a Czech word meaning "forced > worker".""" > > * There is a difference between discussing whether it is a troll post > and flippantly stating it as fact. The first brings up a relevant > concern. The second says, "No one can reasonably believe what you > claim to believe, so I won't treat you as a rational person." > > Jacco: > - This is completely disrespectful and way over the line. Don't try to > make a psychological evaluation from two emails, especially when it's > just someone having an idea you don't like. > """However, if merely the word ugly being on a page can be > "harmful", what you really need is professional help, not a change to > Python. Because there's obviously been some things in your past you > need to work through.""" > - Mockery. > """If we have to ban "Ugly" for american sensitivities, then > perhaps we need to ban a number of others for china's sensitivities. > Where will it end ?""" > > There are people making serious arguments against the idea, including > the people above. But those arguments could have been made without the > above examples. The above quotes don't treat the OP or the OP's ideas > as worthy of a serious and mature response. > > > P.S.: I read Poe's Law not as a warning against falling for trolls, > but as a warning about confirmation bias. If I keep falling for poes > of group G, it's probably because I'm too far too willing to believe > negative things about G, and don't care to understand them. > _______________________________________________ > Python-ideas mailing list > Python-ideas@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-ideas > Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ >
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