+1 to everything James said. This otherwise pointless mail is further evidence he’s right.
On 20 Sep 2018, at 17:08, James Lu <jam...@gmail.com> wrote: >> It's absence is a big advantage. We're not a social network with >> "likes". We don't need a bunch of argumentless "voting". > > Up/ down voting indicates how much consensus we have among the entire > community- an expert might agree with another expert’s arguments but not have > anything else to add, and an outsider might agree with the scenario an expert > presents without having much more to add. Granular up/down votes are useful. > >> Believe it or not, I like the fact that you can't just edit posts. I've >> lost count of the number of forum threads I've been on where comments to >> the initial post make *no sense* because that initial post is nothing >> like it was to start with. > > There is version history. Not all of us have the time to read through every > single post beforehand to get the current state of discussion. > > Hmm, what if we used GitHub as a discussion forum? You’d make a pull request > with an informal proposal to a repository. Then people can comment on lines > in the diff and reply to each other there. The OP can update their branch to > change their proposal- expired/stale comments on old diffs are automatically > hidden. > > You can also create a competing proposal by forming from the OP’s branch and > sending a new PR. > >> Just editing your post and expecting people to notice >> is not going to cut it. > > You would ping someone after editing the post. > >> Approximately none of this has anything to do with the medium. If the >> mailing list is obscure (and personally I don't think it is), it just >> needs better advertising. A poorly advertised forum is equally >> undiscoverable. > > It does have to do with the medium. First, people aren’t used to mailing > lists- but that’s not what’s important here. If the PSF advertised for people > to sign up over say twitter, then we’d get even more email. More +1 and more > -1. Most of us don’t want more mailing list volume. > > The fact that you can’t easily find an overview people will post arguments > that have already been made if they don’t have the extreme patience to read > all that has been said before. > > For the rest of your comments, I advise you to read the earlier discussion > that other people had in response to my email. > >> That message was rather bad in my not so humble opinion -- it was >> just "I want my +1 button" without any argument. Your message is much >> better as it have arguments. See, the absence of the button work! >> >> We're proposing and *discussing* things here not "likes" each other. >> Write your arguments or be silent. > > Please respond to the actual arguments in both of the two emails that have > arguments in support of +1/-1. > > +1/-1 reflects which usage scenarios people find valuable, since Python > features sometimes do benefit one group at the detriment to another. Or use > syntax/behavior for one thing that could be used for another thing, and some > programming styles of python use cases would prefer one kind of that > syntax/behavior. > _______________________________________________ > Python-ideas mailing list > Python-ideas@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-ideas > Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ _______________________________________________ Python-ideas mailing list Python-ideas@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-ideas Code of Conduct: http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/
