> The firehose of python-ideas is a barrier to entry to suggesting major 
> changes to the language.  This is a GOOD thing.  Major changes need dedicated 
> advocates - if they are unwilling to endure the flood of mail, they are not 
> dedicated enough to the change, and that is an indication of how much they 
> will contribute to actually bring that fruition.  They need a thick skin, 
> since the idea will be folded, spindled and mutilated, usually reducing the 
> change proposed to a single actionable item.  This is what makes python a 
> good language - the road to changing it is incredibly tough.  We should not 
> want to make it easier.
> 
> The firehose is a virtue for this list.

You’re conflating two things here: 

1. Volume of mails (which is irrelevant for people who have a more advanced 
mail workflow anyway as has been pointed out as an argument against the very 
idea that is a firehouse at all)

2. People being... let’s be nice and say.. brutally honest and change averse.

Point 2 has no connection to the technology afaik. And point 1 is weak at best. 

/ Anders


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