On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 at 12:20 Ethan Furman <et...@stoneleaf.us> wrote:
> On 09/18/2018 12:05 PM, Franklin? Lee wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 2:37 PM Jonathan Goble wrote: > > >> Perhaps not, but part of that might be because stopping an active > >> discussion on a mailing list can be hard to do, so one might not even > >> try. Some discussions, I suspect, may have gone on in circles long past > >> the point where they would have been locked on a forum. With forum > >> software, it becomes much easier, and would be a more effective tool to > >> terminate discussions that are going nowhere fast and wasting > everyone's > >> time. > > True. > > > But there's no evidence that such tools would help. Software > > enforcement powers are only necessary if verbal enforcement isn't > > enough. We need the current moderators (or just Brett) to say whether > > they feel it isn't enough. > > It isn't enough. > Ethan's correct, it isn't enough. The past two weeks have been pretty horrible for me as an admin and Titus and I need to find a solution to keep this place sustainable long-term, otherwise I'm liable to burn out from running this list (and before anyone says it, more admins will not help as we have already tried that in the past). > > > What people may really be clamoring for is a larger moderation team, > > or a heavier hand. They want more enforcement, not more effective > > enforcement. > > More ineffective enforcement will be, um, ineffective. > > Let's have a test. I'm a moderator (from -List). We're* working on > avenues to improve the mailing tools and > simultaneously testing other options. I'm not seeing anything new in this > thread that will impact that one way or > another, so I'm asking for all of us to move on to other topics. > What Ethan said. :) I'm now muting this thread as it has already become a subjective debate of the value of email versus not which doesn't help me as no one has come forward with anything I didn't already know, and this is all before we have even had a chance to start an evaluation of alternatives (IOW there's nothing for anyone on either side of this debate to actually debate about when it comes to this mailing list yet :) .
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