On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 8:04 PM Stephen J. Turnbull <
turnbull.stephen...@u.tsukuba.ac.jp> wrote:

> Paul Moore writes:
>
>  > [S]ubjecting a newcomer to the need to [deal with extra
>  > requirements from other participants] right up front isn't exactly
>  > fair or helpful.
>
> But avoiding that is what core-mentorship is for.  Perhaps we can
> advertise that list better, and maybe more people can mentor there.
>

I would like to add my fresh experience with the whole process and why it
may seem different from here, compared to how you see from there.
I tried to go by the the official doc:

https://devguide.python.org/communication/#communication (direct quote):

Python-ideas is a mailing list open to the public to discuss ideas on
changing Python. If a new idea does not start here (or python-list,
discussed below), it will get redirected here.
Sometimes people post new ideas to python-list to gather community opinion
before heading to python-ideas. The list is also sometimes known as
comp.lang.python, the name of the newsgroup it mirrors (it is also known by
the abbreviation c.l.py).

Which I read as "you may post in python-list, but it will eventually get
redirected here".
Concerning the core-mentorship from what I read about it (and in it) it did
not look as a place to discuss new ideas to me, but the place where new
contributors are looking for help when (starting) contributing.

>But a proposal that comes to Python-Ideas is going to be presumed the
>object of public discussion for the benefit of Python

I guess more emphasis (or clearer formulation) could be used in the doc, to
explicitly direct people to one place (which I presume should be
python-list from what you wrote) and to explain the "process of acceptance"
into python-ideas.

In retrospect maybe posting in python-list first would give me some ideas
and better understanding on what is used (and expected) by others, but I
had to post here first to realize it.

Richard
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