Peter Maas wrote: > Bruno Desthuilliers schrieb: > > Marc 'BlackJack' Rintsch wrote: > > (snip) > > Python itself is a RAD tool. > > > > +1 QOTW > > No, please stop self-assuring, self-pleasing QOTWs! This afternoon > I was in the local book warehouse and went to the computer book > department. They had banned 2-3 Python books together with some > Perl- and C/C++ stuff into the last row. At the regular place I found > a huge pile of Java books and - in comparison to Java - a small but > growing number of books about Ruby in general, Ruby on Rails and - > new to me - JRuby. > > Now I don't think that Ruby is a bad language. But I think Python is > better and it started earlier. I don't know whether Ruby on Rails was > a fluke or the result of clever analysis. Since a large part of > programming is web programming it is not bad to have a good and visible > tool in place to attract programmers. It is also a good idea to hook on > Java's success but while Jython 2.2 is in alpha state since 3 years I > see an increasing number of books/articles telling how to migrate from > Java to (J)Ruby. Since I started using Python 4 years ago I hear Ruby > people announce with an amazing audacitiy that Ruby is bound to be number > one and will for sure leave Python behind. > > To prevent this to happen parts of the Python community should have a > more critical attitude to the language. Too often I hear the same > mantras being repeated over and over again (GIL, self, IDE etc.). I > don't say these mantras are all wrong but perhaps it would be good to > remove the GIL just to stop people talking about Python's lack of > multi-threading or polish Python's class syntax to stop people talking > about Python's OO being bolted on etc. Programmers often choose their > languages by very silly reasoning (silliest being the indentation issue) > and maybe we should take the silliness into account instead of laughing > about those silly folks. > > I for my part would be happy to see a Delphi-like RAD tool for Python, > a reference implementation for web programming as part of the standard > library, Jython 2.5, Python for PHP or whatever attracts new programmers. > > Peter Maas, Aachen
well said. Based on a comment in this thread, I've just detected this one: http://code.enthought.com/ets/ http://code.enthought.com/envisage/ BSD2 licensed, so it's very attractive as a foundation for a joint-community-effort. _very_ interesting stuff, i've placed in on the list for a later review: http://case.lazaridis.com/wiki/Stack . -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
