Paul Boddie wrote: >> Aw, come on. The Python web programming standardisation wars are over, for >> now. > > Well, that's just another way of saying that the scene remains > stagnant, because I don't see any winners.
one, two, overflow ? or are you saying that the lack of a monopoly means market stagnation, no matter how innovative the three big ones are ? > For a long time people expected to get this coherent message by looking for > solutions provided with the Python distribution itself - after all, the > standard > library has provided other useful "batteries" over the years - but all > we had was the cgi module and some barely maintained servers. Indeed, > the standard library looks pretty incoherent itself these days. the standard library has never included non-trivial applications (and the three big ones are configurable applications, not libraries). I'm not sure anyone has ever looked to the standard library for domain-specific applications or toolkits. > The thing is that people want a coherent message about Python and Web > programming. the message is out there, for anyone who wants to listen. and they are listening. > why else do people still ask CGI-related questions on comp.lang.python? because CGI works well for simple applications where you don't want to waste any time whatsoever on hosting and deployment issues ? heck, I spent parts of last weekend hacking on a light-weight CGI-based publishing system for portions of the effbot.org site, using Python 2.2 on Solaris. loads of fun. >> (as for WSGI, it's plumbing. You can of course build fun things from spare >> parts and >> plumbing, and there are really interesting things going on in certain >> research labs, as >> usual, but if you want turn-key stuff, pick one of the big three.) > > After seeing WSGI being elevated to non-plumbing (since plumbing is > just stuff that helps other stuff to work, not something you mess with > on a daily basis), I think the current strategy with respect to > "floating more boats" is to pretend that WSGI is all you need. I've never seen anyone besides Ian Bicking make that argument (and he's using WSGI plus a zillion ready-made building blocks when doing that). </F> -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list