I made a mistake in selecting America as a land of Freedom, EINSTEIN "Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting different results".-Albert Einstein
"It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing but an act of murder." -Albert Einstein "I came to America because of the great, great freedom which I heard existed in this country. I made a mistake in selecting America as a land of freedom, a mistake I cannot repair in the balance of my lifetime." Albert Einstein, 1947 On Jan 25, 7:05 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > http://www.gnn.tv/threads/22972/Bush_Ignores_True_Cost_of_Iraq_war > > Bush Ignores True Cost of Iraq war > Asset H12937 Posted By GWHunta > > In his State of the Union address, President Bush makes the case for > his plan to escalate the war in Iraq. He paints the potential costs of > pulling out of Iraq in stark colors. But he won't say much about the > real costs of staying in and escalating. > > We should never forget the incalculable cost of the war-the lives and > the limbs of U.S. soldiers. As of this month, more than 3,000 U.S. > soldiers have died and 22,800 been wounded in this war. An estimated > 35,000 Iraqi civilian lives were lost last year. A staggering > percentage have been displaced from their homes. The U.S. casualties > bring terrible grief to their families and friends, but the loss must > sober and sadden us all. > > In addition, this country pays very steep economic costs-what > economists call "opportunity costs"-the costs of what is not done > with the scarce financial resources we are devoting to war in Iraq. The > price is particularly apparent as the president prepares to introduce a > budget calling for cuts in child care, in education, in health care, > and more. > [end excerpt] > Click here to read the rest of the article > GWHunta > R258778 > 9 hours ago > GWHunta > > When people speak to you about a preventive war, you tell them to go > and fight it. After my experience, I have come to hate war. > ~Dwight D. Eisenhower > > The most successful war seldom pays for its losses. > ~Thomas Jefferson > > Sometimes no Peace, > ~GWHunta > BetterRed > R258787 > 8 hours ago > BetterRed > > "Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting > different results".-Albert Einstein > > "It is my conviction that killing under the cloak of war is nothing > but an act of murder." -Albert Einstein > > "I came to America because of the great, great freedom which I heard > existed in this country. I made a mistake in selecting America as a > land of freedom, a mistake I cannot repair in the balance of my > lifetime." > Albert Einstein, 1947 > mikecimerian > R258790 > 8 hours ago > mikecimerian > > Two billion a week ... and Katrina victims still pay mortgage on > wrecked houses ... > GWHunta > R258793 > 7 hours ago > GWHunta > > 15 billion a month for the "war on terror." > > Not including interest on these "borrowed" funds and the health > care costs and disability payments for the veterans fretruning from > these "wars." > > Also not included are the economic and social costs of the programs > that go unfunded because war is becoming the primary function of the > U.S. federal gov't. > > The costs associated with the war in Iraq continue to escalate along > with the violence. > > Sometimes no Peace, > johnnycivil > R258821 > 5 hours ago > johnnycivil > > Okay, lets be real. Iraq has always been a staging ground for Iran. In > Iraq and Afghanistan we have the foundation for a strong move agaist > the meat in our murder sandwich. When we straddle Saudi Arabia to > Afghanistan we will control 70% of the easily extracable oil. Pretty or > ugly the Cheney gang are correct, own that own the nations. When > control is locked in they will say that is what drove China to attack > us, leading to the depopulating war our fearful masters always opt for. > Have a nice day. > nobinPoddywodder > R258872 > 33 minutes ago > nobinPoddywodder > > Why do crackerjax hate Iraq so much? Why do they hate the shia's and > the kurds and try and deny them majority rule? Why do crackerjax try > and deny Iraqis the right to democracy? > > Far leftists have argued many times over the past 3 years, that Iraq > would be better off under saddam, a veiled attempt at saying sunni > minority rule. Of course the far left doesn't care if minority rule > in Iraq would continue. Not only minority rule, but minority rule of a > brutal dictators. Perhaps the far left should ask Shias and Kurds > whether saddam was better. > > Ok, so Iraq is a prop in your socialist revolution. Ok, the Iraqi war > offers some hope, albeit a slim one, that such a catastrophe could > trigger a socialist revolution in the West. > > But this antic of the far left of pretending to actually care about > Iraqis by destroying its democracy is getting a bit tired. Pretty weird > social science if you ask me. The far left is protecting Iraq by > preventing it from modernizing and preventing it from extending > Capitalism and world economic integration. > > "No War for oil" is a code word meaning, don't modernize Iraq and > don't bring Capitalsm and free foreign investment there. > > Again I say, why not ask Iraqis what type of system they want. > > Or for example, when iraqi terrorism against the government of Iraq is > almost entirely a sunni phenomena, the far left call the Maliki > government stooges and traitors, as if to say that the 80% of Iraq that > is either Shia or Kurd is somehow does not represent Iraq, yet a small > handful of sunni thugs, assisted by sunni Islamists from other > countries somehow do. According to the far left the sunnis who have > hitherto ruled Iraq with brutality should continue to do so. Why? Just > because the US is trying to bring freedom and majority rule. > > If the far left would wake up, they might realize that the terrorist > insurgency in Iraq is entirely a sunni phenomena, yet only a small > minority of sunnis are involved. The brutal shia attacks on sunnis are > simply lawless retaliation for sunni terror attacks. > > Another smoke screen of the far left is that shias are somehow just as > bad and are an equal part of the violent malaise that is the disaster > in Iraq. Yet, hardly any coalition forces have been killed by shias. > Only a tiny handful of US and British soldiers were killed in > skirmishes with shia militias. Yet in every case it was a case of the > shias trying to assert their right to exist as a militia. Not once has > a shia insurgency targeted Coalition troops. > > Yet the far left tries its best to confuse these facts, determined to > pretend to their idiot followers that somehow the insurgency is a > popular uprising by all Iraqis. Well not the 80%+ of Iraqi Kurds and > Shiites who exercised their right to vote, that represent 80% of the > population. > Post Modified: 01/25/07 18:17:59 > glacialimprint > R258877 > 17 minutes ago > glacialimprint > > pardon, in your previous post of factoids that don't add up, you > mentioned that 70+ of the population voted. now it's 80%+. sweet. > > note to your brain: if we allowed majority rule, ie: shia and then > kurds, over sunni, you can bet your ass saudi arabia will take some > action to prevent the slaughter and backlash against the sunni > minority. If you do not recall, Saudi Arabia explicitly warned us that > they would have to do something if we let Iraq go to Shia (majority) > rule without protecting the Sunnis. > > If the terrorism in Iraq is all Sunni, and a minority at that-what is > the big deal for our boys in blue to take care of them? why so hard, > are they super-human terrorists? > > you are such a coward, the men who start wars but who do not fight in > them are cowards, but at least are able to do something (be it > negative, destructive) with their life. You have nothing to show except > drivel and your cowardly, anonymous nature. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
