Stephen, I appreciate your responses. Maybe "school bullies" was an exaggeration on my part. At the same time, I'm not sure it is good for the Python community to expect everyone to roll up their sleeves and hack at something to make it work. (And I don't mean to imply that you hold that opinion. But far too many others *have* expressed that.) It's a marketing issue as much as anything. Why is Apple doing so well? They make everything simple. Now the techies will argue that they make some things too simple (like the iPod), but it's hard to deny that simple things that work consistently without any fuss have a broader appeal with the public at large.
I think the same applies to developers. Not every programmer is willing to go through a lot of pain and effort just to get something simple to work. I, for one, am willing to go through that pain to save users of my product (who happen to be developers) from having to do the same. But I don't think any less of my users. I'm as lazy as they are. I like simple things that work consistently without any fuss too. :-) Patrick K. O'Brien Orbtech http://www.orbtech.com Schevo http://www.schevo.org Pypersyst http://www.pypersyst.org -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list