On Sep 7, 6:56 pm, Albert van der Horst <alb...@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> wrote: > In article <pan.2009.08.30.21.12.48.985...@nowhere.com>, > > Nobody <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote: > >On Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:48:24 -0700, r wrote: > > >> I think a point and click GUI builder (although some may disagree) is > >> actually detrimental to your programming skills. The ability to > >> visualize the GUI only from the source code as you read it, is as > >> important to a programmer as site reading sheet music is to a > >> musician. And I like to program with the training wheels off. > > >The main advantage of a GUI builder is that it helps prevent you from > >hard-coding the GUI into the program. You could get the same effect by > >coding a UIL/XRC/etc file manually, but a GUI builder tends to force it. > > A GUI builder results in hard coding the GUI. The code only resides > elsewhere.
+1 > >It also allows the GUI to be edited by without requiring any programming > >knowledge. This eliminates the need for the GUI designer to be familiar > >with the programming language used (or any programming language), and > >allows customisation by end users. and this is why M$ interfaces suck eggs! This whole "let's just slap together something that works even if kludgy" attitude begets the horrible UI's of which i speak. Are you saying that programmers have no ability to design elegant UI's? Or are you saying GUI's are not *that* important? > What I resent is that it leads to a non-professional attitude > of the graphical part. Programming is over, lets now kludge > some screens together. No. The graphics part has to be carefully > designed, carefully tested, and carefully "written", even if it > is using a graphical tool. So, yes please, *do* create a GUI > "programmatically". > > Groetjes Albert Agreed! You *must* get up-close-and-personal with the GUI code. You know, in the past i would write the logic first and then fit the GUI to the code, not any more!. Now I design the GUI first, then write the code to complement it. Maybe i'm just nuts, but i thought GUI's where targeted at "non-technical" end users, not the enlightened few? get_enlightened(http://jjsenlightenments.blogspot.com/) -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
