On Jun 14, 7:30 pm, Stephen Hansen <me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io> wrote: > On 6/14/10 11:47 AM, lkcl wrote: > > > On Jun 14, 4:17 pm, Stephen Hansen <me+list/pyt...@ixokai.io> wrote: > > yes. that's effectively what pyjs applications are about: as much > > HTML/CSS as you can stand, then _absolute_ pure javascript from there- > > on in... only using a compiler (python-to-javascript) so as not to go > > completely insane - and, from the rest of your message, i _know_ you > > know what i'm talking about, there :) > > Yeah. It sounds very interesting. I just wish it, like, somehow bundled > webkit cross-platformly. :)
_that's_ a long story - a brief insight into 8 months of hell i posted in another message on this thread... > > to be absolutely honest, i very rarely even write my own widgets: i > > advocate that people, myself _especially_ myself included, perform > > literal line-for-line translations of GWT widgets from java to > > python. why? because, again: on the basis that google have tons of > > money to put into GWT widgets, doing full regression tests, and have > > thousands of users, they can afford to get the widget right across all > > the browsers. ergo, why duplicate that effort - just code-translate > > it verbatim! > > > oh, btw, that's turning into quite a powerful project on its own: the > > goal is to have a fully automated java-to-python translator! > > > http://github.com/thoka/java2python > > Somehow this is getting perverse. Java, to Python, to JavaScript. It > just sounds sort of incestuous. :) oh i haven't mentioned the javascript-to-python converter yet, have i? *lol*. am still looking for a good BNF / parser in python, for that one. > Well, yes. I have some experience with extjs (and making some pretty > fantastic real-world seeming apps on the web with it), and yeah, > The current project occupying my time involves a fairly complicated mix; > on the server-side we have Pylons, but its interfacing with an external > application server, so about half of the Pylons layers are "outsourced" > (i.e., data and model access). > > Then the web interface is ExtJS. Its just getting very, very -- ungainly > from a maintenance point of view. ooh. ouch. we've had people wanting to wrap extjs in pyjamas. i told them NO don't for god's sake do it. it's _hundreds_ of thousands of lines of javascript; looking at the GWT-EXTJS wrapper, the "startup" code in javascript is a whopping 8,000 lines (which was more than the entire pyjamas codebase at the time!) and the rest of the "wrapper" code i believe is some 80,000 lines of java. then there's the issue that, apart from all that code to maintain, you now have a whopping great 2.5mbyte javascript dependency, where you'd need, if there was a bug in that, an expert javascript programmer... so whilst pyjamas UI widgets are somewhat at the level of "extjs 0.000001", at least there is http://puremvc.org (which yes, that _does_ compile to javascript cleanly!) which you can combine with e.g. the Grid Widget and a few more prettifying widgets, in order to create the kinds of looveliness that is extjs. > Maybe on its next iteration I'll look > into pyjamas. mmm, that leaves you with an all-or-nothing approach. there's a trick you could do, which involves using a pyjamas ui Frame widget, where you could convert the site one bit at a time. that's been done before now. if you're already using an AJAX approach in the back-end server (which it sounds like you are) then you'll be much much further ahead than many pyjamas converts: all you'd need to do is reimplement page- by-page the front-end widgets. ok gotta go, baby's dragging me away. l -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list