THE POSTER vs. CHRIST =====================
For those who follow this frequently re-appearing thread, and the various responses to it, I wish to remind them of the following: 1. There is a detailed response to the claims of the poster here: http://groups-beta.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.network_web/browse_thread/thread/526d20b74c0c5389/4416e29e5d258dd6?q=%22Ron+Grossi:+God+is+not+a+man%22&rnum=1#4416e29e5d258dd6 or as a tinyurl: http://tinyurl.com/dagan 2. The poster has yet to respond to the issues raised. 3. The poster seems to be preaching a doctrine that is at odds with what Christ peace and blessings be upon him (PBBUH) is reported to have preached in the Gospels. For one thing, the poster seems to claim that Christ PBBUH was sent to all peoples, when in fact the "no one" in the verse he relies on above is taken out of the gospel's context. The "no one" cannot be understood as "all people" as this would conflict with Christ PBBUH explicit and clear words in Matthew: "But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." (Matthew 15: 24) And so unless the poster wants to pursue and preach a line that is in direct contradiction to the explicit and clear preaching of Christ PBBUH, then he too must accept that the "no one" of (John 14: 6) and the "whoever believes in him" of (John 3: 16, more on this verse and book later) actually refer to those lost sheep of the house of Israel only, and only do so in the span of time while Christ's PBBUH walked this earth, not to the people of the Gentiles and all the times past and present. Repeating the claim of the "no one" and the "whoever", so as to claim that Christ PBBUH was sent to all people past and present including those of the Gentiles, from now until the end of time will not help the cause of the poster. For as long as (Matthew 15: 24) is still considered as part of the Gospel then the poster's case is defeated and he is shown to be preaching an Anti- Christ doctrine. Remember that opinions cannot replace scripture. And repetition cannot make falsehood into truth, or vice versa. Secondly, do note that the poster is relying now on the the book of John, which Christian scholars themselves tell us that not only is it anonymous (imagine a court admitting anonymous evidence as proof) but they also proclaim that the book is actually adulterated scripture; and this they do both in words[1] and deeds.[2] LIKE CHRIST PBBUH PRAYED ======================== For those truth seekers reading this, perhaps it is worth it to remind you that Christ PBBUH, whom the poster seems to consider his "Lord", actually prayed to Almighty God! What is most amazing here is not only that the poster is drumming for the worship of a "man" (Acts 2: 22) and "the son of man" (Luke 9: 58), when his own scripture proclaims that "God is not a man ... neither the son of man" (Numbers 23: 19), but he is also calling for the taking as "Lord" a man and a son of man who has prayed and did so in the same manner taught to all the prophets, including Muhammad peace and blessings be upon them all. * "And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying," (Genesis 17:3) * "Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear?" (Genesis 17:17) * "And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshipped." (Exodus 34:8) * "And the LORD spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying, Separate yourselves from among this congregation, that I may consume them in a moment. And they fell upon their faces, and said, O God, the God of the spirits of all flesh, shall one man sin, and wilt thou be wroth with all the congregation?" (Numbers 16:20-22) * "And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my Lord unto his servant?" (Joshua 5:14) * "And it came to pass, while they were slaying them, and I was left, that I fell upon my face, and cried, and said, Ah Lord GOD! wilt thou destroy all the residue of Israel in thy pouring out of thy fury upon Jerusalem?" (Ezekiel 9:8) * "And Jehoshaphat bowed his head with his face to the ground: and all Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem fell before the LORD, worshipping the LORD." (2 Chronicles 20:18) * "And it came to pass, when I prophesied, that Pelatiah the son of Benaiah died. Then fell I down upon my face, and cried with a loud voice, and said, Ah Lord GOD! wilt thou make a full end of the remnant of Israel." (Ezekiel 11:13) * "And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid." (Matthew 17:6) * "And he (Jesus) went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt." (Matthew 26:39) IN THE NEWS =========== Here is a quote from the Qur'an, which was part of the news very recently, from Chapter/Sura "The Prophets": "And unto Solomon (We subdued) the wind in its raging. It set by his command toward the land which We had blessed. And of everything We are Aware. "And of the evil ones (subdued We unto him) some who dived (for pearls) for him and did other work, and We were warders unto them. "And Job, when he cried unto his Lord, (saying): Lo! adversity afflicteth me, and Thou art Most Merciful of all who show mercy. "Then We heard his prayer and removed that adversity from which he suffered, and We gave him his household (that he ad lost) and the like thereof along with them, a mercy from Our store, and a remembrance for the worshippers; "And (mention) Ishmael, and Idris, and Dhu'l-Kifl. All were of the steadfast. "And We brought them in unto Our mercy. Lo! they are among the righteous. "And (mention) Dhu'n-Nun, when he went off in anger and deemed that We had no power over him, but he cried out in the darkness, saying: There is no Allah save Thee. Be Thou Glorified! Lo! I have been a wrong-doer. "Then we heard his prayer and saved him from the anguish. Thus we save believers. "And Zachariah, when he cried unto his Lord: My Lord! Leave me not childless, though Thou art the Best of inheritors. "Then We heard his prayer, and bestowed upon him John, and adjusted his wife (to bear a child) for him. Lo! they used to vie one with the other in good deeds, and they cried unto Us in longing and in fear, and were submissive unto Us. "And she who was chaste, therefor We breathed into her (something) of Our Spirit and made her and her son a token for (all) peoples. "Lo! this, your religion, is one religion, and I am your Lord, so worship Me. "And they have broken their religion (into fragments) among them, (yet) all are returning unto Us. "Then whoso doeth some good works and is a believer, there will be no rejection of his effort. Lo! We record (it) for him." (Translation, Qur'an, 21: 81-94) RESOURCES ========= [1] Jackson, H. Latimer: "The Problem of the Fourth Gospel", April 2005, http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/jackson/chapter1.html [2] The word "begotten" is now absent from (John 3: 16) in almost all new revised Bibles. See the Revised Standard Version for one. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list