On Jan 25, 2:02 am, Bob Martin <bob.mar...@excite.com> wrote: > in 650595 20110124 192332 Bryan <bryan.oak...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > >On Jan 24, 12:05=A0pm, rantingrick <rantingr...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Jan 24, 12:00=A0pm, Bryan <bryan.oak...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > Accessibility, like internationalization, is something few programmers > >> > spend much time thinking about. > > >> Thats another uninformed statement by you we can add to the mountains > >> of useless cruft you have offered so far. Unicode IS > >> internationalization and Guido thought it was SO important that > >> Python3000 auto converts all strings to Unicode strings. Obviously he > >> is moving us toward full Unicode only in the future (AS SHOULD ALL > >> IMPLEMENTATIONS!). We need one and only one obvious way to do it. And > >> Unicode is that way. > > >Ok, great. You've identified one programmer who thinks about > >internationalization. Not much of a compelling argument there. > > >However, I think you missed my point. My point wasn't that people like > >Guido don't think of these topics. It's that the people in the > >trenches who use these tools don't think about these topics. How many > >of your co-workers actively think about internationalization and > >accessibility? I'm guessing none, but maybe you're lucking and work in > >a particularly enlightened team. I've perhaps worked closely with a > >few hundred programmers in my career, and very few of them thought of > >these subjects. In my experience it's just not something the > >programmer in the trenches thinks about. That is the point I was > >trying to make. > > Sorry, but I have to disagree with you here. I spent my working life as a > programmer > with a very large multi-national IT company and all software had to be fully > "internationalized" (otherwise known as NLS) or it didn't get used. > Do you think the whole world speaks US English?
No, absolutely not. I don't see how you go from "I don't think all developers think about i18n" to "I think everyone speaks english". Most very large companies think about this a lot. Most hugely successful software is probably internationalized. Together those two groups make up a tiny fraction of all software. Think about all the free software you use -- how much of it is internationalized and optimized for accessibility? I bet not much. I wish I could say more than half of all software is internationalized but I just don't believe that to be true based on my own personal observation. I definitely agree that many companies, both large and small, do the right thing here. From my experience though, many != most. I hope I'm wrong though, because that means the we're all headed in the right direction. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
