On 2011-08-11, Ben Finney <ben+pyt...@benfinney.id.au> wrote: > What evidence do you have of these? The latter, especially, seems to be > mere opinion unfounded in any measurement.
Well, on new collection of data, I'm less convinced. The basic rule is: Engineers are nearly always aware of tradeoffs. If I suddenly encounter something where many engineers perceive a tradeoff, and a few deny that there is any tradeoff at all, that usually means that the latter category are not actually doing the engineering thing. > Again, I don't know where you've been observing that, but it's not what > I've seen. I've seen it some here, and in other Python discussion threads. I've also seen counterexamples, though, more now that I brought it up. > You're welcome to attempt to demonstrate the superiority of some other > Python-with-braces, but it will (a) be un-Pythonic, and (b) be unlikely > to gain the efforts of people who don't think what you're addressing is > a problem. I have noticed a tendency for "Pythonic" to produce fierce debates in which there is absolutely nothing measurable to point to. I'm not sold on it. I guess the thing is this: I am pretty sure Python is a pretty nice language. However, the indentation thing has screwed me a few times. Furthermore, I know people who like Python a great deal and acknowledge, without much difficulty, that the indentation thing has caused problems or incompatibilities for them. So when I see people deny that it is at all a problem, or that there are any possible shortcomings to it, I infer that they have some compelling reason to deny the existence of a thing which is reliably and easily observed. See, that's the thing. If you want to tell me that there are problems with braces, I'll *agree*. I am aware of those problems. I don't feel a need to deny that they exist. -s -- Copyright 2011, all wrongs reversed. Peter Seebach / usenet-nos...@seebs.net http://www.seebs.net/log/ <-- lawsuits, religion, and funny pictures http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Game_(Scientology) <-- get educated! I am not speaking for my employer, although they do rent some of my opinions. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list