On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 07:36:47 +0100, Rui Maciel wrote: > Steven D'Aprano wrote: > >> It's only easy to install a package on Ubuntu if you know that you have >> to, and can somehow work out the name of the package. > > No one actually has to install tkinter. That's the whole point of > providing it as a separate package: only those who want to use it have > to install it. The rest of us don't.
I think that if you are worrying about the overhead of the tkinter bindings for Python, you're guilty of premature optimization. The tkinter package in Python 3.3 is trivially small, under 2 MB. Besides, how far do we go? Do we expect people to install (say): python3-copy so that those who don't need the copy module don't have to install it? sudo apt-get python3 python3-copy python3-dis python3-doctest \ python3-csv python3-logging python3-shutil ... There are advantages to having the *standard library* actually be, you know, *standard*. In my perfect world, the tk/tcl bindings and the tkinter package would be installed with any Python installation. Naturally they won't work if you don't install Tcl, but to make them work, all you need is: sudo apt-get python3 tcl Don't want Tcl? Fine, don't install it, and "import tkinter" will fail at import time, preferably with a sensible error message like "Tcl not installed". Naturally I'm just talking about the standard CPython implementation on Linux systems where Tcl is standard. If you have an embedded system, where tkinter's 2MB is *not* trivially small, or a platform where Tcl does not exist, then that's a different story. But in a standard Linux desktop install of Python, tkinter should Just Work once you install Tcl. In my perfect world. -- Steven -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list