On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 6:07 PM, Steven D'Aprano < steve+comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info> wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Dec 2013 15:54:22 -0800, Dan Stromberg wrote: > > > Does anyone else feel like Python is being dragged too far in the > > direction of long, complex, multiline one-liners? Or avoiding temporary > > variables with descriptive names? Or using regex's for everything under > > the sun? > > All those things are stylistic issues, not language issues. Yes, I see > far too many people trying to squeeze three lines of code into one, but > that's their choice, not the language leading them that way. > Yes, stylistic, or even "cultural". > I refuse to apologise > for writing the one-liner: > > result = [func(item) for item in sequence] > > instead of four: > > result = [] > for i in range(len(sequence)): > item = sequence[i] > result.append(func(item)) > IMO, this is a time when the one liner is more clear. But if you start trying to stretch that to extremes, it becomes worse instead of better. > > > What happened to using classes? What happened to the beautiful emphasis > > on readability? What happened to debuggability (which is always harder > > than writing things in the first place)? And what happened to string > > methods? > > What about string methods? > A lot of things people do with regex's, could be done with string methods more clearly and concisely. The beauty of Python is that it is a multi-paradigm language. You can > write imperative, procedural, functional, OOP, or pipelining style (and > probably more). The bad thing about Python is that if you're reading > other people's code you *need* to be familiar with all those styles. > That's fine. That's appropriate. But I imagine any of these can be done with the intention of being more clever than clear. BTW, what's pipelining style? Like bash? > I'm pleased to see Python getting more popular, but it feels like a lot > of newcomers are trying their best to turn Python into Perl or > something, culturally speaking. They're probably writing code using the idioms they are used to from > whatever language they have come from. Newcomers nearly always do this. > The more newcomers you get, the less Pythonic the code you're going to > see from them. > Nod.
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