Mark - it's more that I just didn't understand what you mean. Here's you: Probably an out and out programmer; uses a number of languages; a decade of experience, educated in best practice via your experience.
Here's me: Idiot. A decade of experience in VBA and Excel in mindless finance jobs, hoping to build a 'not shit" website for a refrigerated van courier company I am starting. I know enough to find my way around linux and mac for most things and that Python and Django are a great tool, yet I stumble in my environment setup. I have built a Django website before using Pycharm on an Ubuntu machine without this problem. So I wasn't seeking to be abrasive, it's just that I don't get it, nor do I understand the boundary of "it". Here's what I can do: 1. I will lookup Thunderbird and see if this makes posting easier to follow 2. I will reverse my launchctl setenv changes. 3. Is there anything else I can do to improve diagnosis and communication? Andy -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list