On Friday, September 5, 2014 8:01:00 AM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote: > That's one particular example that's from Unix. I've seen (and > written) Windows GUI programs that use consoles, too. And OS/2 ones. > Can't speak for Mac OS Classic as I've never used it, but I'd be > surprised if it's not possible.
> So I still stand by my statement that console output is a fundamental, > and it's not a bad thing to teach it. If what is fundamental is what should be taught (first) then we should start with machine language because everything bottoms out into that. Yes? The most logical order and the optimal pedagogical order are not usually the same and they may both differ from the factual historical order. In here Ive laid out the history of CS as it unfolded blog.languager.org/2011/02/cs-education-is-fat-and-weak-1.html And the consequent pedagogical confusions and logical inconsistencies of choosing not to 'reconfigure' our history: blog.languager.org/2011/02/cs-education-is-fat-and-weak-2.html Including this that my teacher's teacher of programming was taught assembly as the first programming language because it was easy and Fortran (II??) only later because it was advanced and difficult. This was right in 1960. Its wrong today. Likewise here. In C we have no choice but to produce standalone executables. Imposing the same impoverishment onto a beginner by teaching script-writing before the REPL is a miserable choice. -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
