On 30/07/2016 12:49, Chris Angelico wrote:
On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 9:39 PM, Rustom Mody <rustompm...@gmail.com> wrote:

Its a function… ok.
Its ‘just’ a function… Arguable

For example:

- Prior Art: Its builtin and special in Fortran, Pascal, Basic

And it's not built-in or special in C, or a bunch of other languages.

The parentheses are a nuisance in C too, as are obligatory format codes. And C created a lot of bad precedences (literally in the case of binary operators!)

For an informal, rapid development language, the less formality about these things the better.

- More immediate : It was a special in python2

Which resulted in unmitigatable problems, such as that you can't mock
it for testing or redirection purposes,

The language finds other solutions so that programs using "print A" don't need changing. Perhaps 'print <list>' is syntactic sugar for '_print (<list>' or something.

 and it demands syntactic magic
to do its work - for instance, the only option is a "soft space" in
place of a newline, where the print function allows full customization
of both end= and sep=.

This is one thing I can never get right in Python: controlling when a newline is or isn't generated and what happens with separators.

(In fact when I used Python as a target language, I had to generate calls to sys.stdout.write instead as it had more predictable behaviour.)

So if it's the advantage of using () then it's one I never benefit from!

Newline control should be one of the simplest things in the language, part of the very first programs you write.

(Some languages use 'write' or 'writeln', or 'print' or 'println'; what could be simpler? Or you just explicitly output a "\n" string.)

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Bartc


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