thanks for your time. i have started just doing a type(a) from idle a lot just so i can make sure of what i am dealing with ( i do this a lot) before i build the .py file. got tired of 'cannot concatonate str and init' stuff all the time. this has been a wild project. nothing like getting in way over your head to crash learn something. i really dig python. just was going outta my onion over this one.
thanks again shawn -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list