On Monday, September 4, 2017 at 1:46:55 PM UTC+5:30, Gregory Ewing wrote: > Stefan Ram wrote: > > JavaScript and Python do not have references as values > > Yes, they do. The difference is that they don't have any > way of *not* having references as values, so there's less > need to use the word explicitly in that way -- most of > the time it's just understood.
Well then why these long threads that get nowhere 😎? > Nevertheless, terms such > as "object reference" and "reference to an object" do > get used in relation to Python when clarity is needed. Its because reference (or pointer or …) is central to python's semantics that we need to use them to talk/explain/understand. Its because pointers have been de-first-classed (from C say, as a starting point) that the disagreements arise: - One bunch feel that since they've been de-first-classed they've been removed And could/should not be mentioned - The others feel that since the removal is ½-assed we need to talk of them anyway. All thats gone is the '*' which has become implicit from C's explicit -- https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
