On 2019-07-21 10:26:17 -0500, Tim Daneliuk wrote: > On 7/21/19 8:47 AM, Peter J. Holzer wrote: > > That's fine. Unlike Tim I don't claim that anybody who disagrees with me > > must be a newbie. > > Peter, that's ad hominem and unfair.
No, it isn't. Please read the first paragraph of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem > I never said anything close to that. Well, let's see what you wrote: | We don't need to bikeshed this. Translation: This is not a matter of opinion or taste. There is one objectively true answer. | All we need is people who disagree with this view to spend a year in | software packaging, operations, deployment and DevOps ... then get back | to us... Translation: People who disagree with your opinion obviously haven't worked even a single year in this field because otherwise they would have discovered the one objectively true answer. | Grrrrrrrrrr...... I don't have to translate that :-) > What I said is that if someone were to spend an extended period of time > in devops and systems engineering at large scale, they'd quickly come to > hate hardwired paths. You are just stating the same point again: Everybody who has experience in the field agrees with you, therefore anybody who disagrees can't have experience. > The truth is that there is no single answer to this problem until you > hermetically seal an environment. If you can hermetically seal the environment, the argument is moot. I thought (and still think) we are talking about the case where you can't. Therefore I took exception to your insistence that there is in fact one single answer and that this single answer is one which I know from bitter experience to be quite fragile. > But short of that, the ability to decide to use something other than > system-provided tools absolutely IS a requirement in systems of any > scale. I completely agree with that. I just don't think that using #!/usr/bin/env is a good way to achieve that. hp -- _ | Peter J. Holzer | we build much bigger, better disasters now |_|_) | | because we have much more sophisticated | | | h...@hjp.at | management tools. __/ | http://www.hjp.at/ | -- Ross Anderson <https://www.edge.org/>
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