> Unless you're a unix person, there's very few useful things you can > do with Python 2.3 sans third party extensions
Ah, I think I'm beginning to understand all the confusion. MacOS X is the largest-selling UNIX distro in the world. Linux and Solaris people are deserting in droves and moving to Apple machines running OS X. There's a huge and growing population of Unix people using Macs. So this ("unix person") is a non-negligible audience. May even be a majority of Mac users by now. Full disclosure: I'm a UNIX person. The first thing I do when I get a new Mac is make sure X11 is installed on it, and in my Login Items. The second thing I do is build an X11 version of GNU Emacs from the CVS repository. I don't mind the Terminal's oddities because I never use it; all my shells are in Emacs shell buffers. I rarely use the Finder; it seems a fairly dorky program. But I like the Mac as a very nice UNIX platform with cute visual glitz. I pretty much never write Mac-specific code. For me, the supplied Python works pretty well; I can't write past Python 2.3 anyway (though I'd like to), because there are lots of machines in my target population that still aren't running 2.4, so I have to be conservative. Just going to 2.3 is a bit daring -- you have to check to see where it is in the Debian packaging chain, for instance. A great deal of my code works with just the basic Python and stdlib. Sometimes I need to require PIL or reportlab or Medusa. And on the Mac, just unpacking the sources for those extensions and then saying "python setup.py install" (in a shell) works just fine. The additional complexity of installing packages and eggs seems overkill. I can see that if you are a pre-MacOSX Mac person, used to all the groundbreaking UI complexity of Apple in the 80's and 90's, your view and your needs might be different. Or if you are a for-Mac developer. But most people aren't. Bill _______________________________________________ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig