On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Edward K. Ream <[email protected]> wrote:
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>
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Bill Baxter <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> I'm not sure how to get a working copy of Leo's trunk.  Do you put
>> snapshots anywhere?
>
> Yes. http://www.greygreen.org/leo/

Thanks.  That's only so much help, though, when I'm still stuck on how
to open a file. :-)

> Your question illustrates why newbies are so important to Leo.  I hadn't
> realized that there is no obvious link to this page.  I'll put a link to it
> on Leo's home page and in Leo's FAQ.
>
> However, if at all possible, I recommend using bzr to get the latest version
> of Leo.  In the long run, this is much more convenient than getting
> snapshots.  Furthermore, bzr is a superb tool, well worth learning in its
> own right.  Leo has benefited greatly from bzr branches created by
> developers. And you will need to use bzr if you intend to extend Leo.
>
> For instructions about bzr, see the first entry in Leo's FAQ:
>
> http://webpages.charter.net/edreamleo/FAQ.html#how-do-i-use-bzr-to-get-the-latest-sources-from-leo-s-launchpad-site

Thanks for the link.  I'm using mercurial regularly and I hear it's
pretty much the same thing as bzr.   And since there seems to be no
clear winner in the fight to become the world's dominant dvcs, I might
as well have bzr handy too.

>> All these answers are encouraging.  I think the issue I have now might
>> be like the one the poster below suggests.  You have various tutorials
>> about the many advanced and unique features of Leo, but do you have a
>> basic tutorial anywhere explaining how you just open edit a file?
>
> Good point.  Improving Leo's tutorial is becoming urgent.
>
> I'd like to rewrite all of Leo's introductory docs using a "story-based"
> approach inspired by the book "Ideas that stick".  Using Leo to "just open
> and edit a file" would be one of the very first stories.

Don't know that book, but the idea sounds good.

> So we have a good collaboration going already. You've highlighted several
> things that will confuse newbies.

I'm glad that you're taking these comments as constructive criticisms
rather than getting defensive about it.

>> I think if you can soften the transition a bit from regular editor to
>> the leo way, you can probably convince a few more people.
>
> I agree completely.  I'll see what I can do in the next three days...

Great.  I have some old code (that I wrote once upon a time) that I'll
be going through soon, and it seems like an ideal chance to put leo's
annotation skills to the test.

--bb

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