(let's use mailing lists instead of manually cc'ing people, please)

Timo/Jon: Do you have tasks in phabricator that show what you've tried
doing/debugging already? Would hate to re-do it all.

Greg


<quote name="Timo Tijhof" date="2015-05-28" time="11:57:05 +0200">
> I've seen this and similar issues on beta cluster for almost a year now and 
> am reasonably certain that there is no bug in ResourceLoader related to this. 
> We might uncover an indirect cause in MediaWiki core later, but the immediate 
> cause is most likely in Beta cluster. This because I've observed the relevant 
> issues with non-ResourceLoader requests as well. And because we've not been 
> able to reproduce this in production.
> 
> I don't know enough about Beta cluster or our http caching to know how to 
> help. I've already exhausted possibly causes I can think of on my own – last 
> month. However I'm happy to join a hangout session at some point to consult 
> and help pinpoint the problem from a MediaWiki perspective, we should have a 
> prod opsen (knowledgable about Varnish), and a beta devop present there as 
> well. 
> 
> -- Timo
> 
> > On 28 May 2015, at 11:37, Jon Robson <[email protected]> wrote:
> > 
> > Firstly apologises for all the browser test spam recently. This is an 
> > update on what is going on and to give you confidence it is being taken 
> > seriously.
> > 
> > I've managed to trace the issue to some kind of caching problem in 
> > mediawiki core but I'm a bit out of my depth trying to work it out.
> > 
> > Basically under certain circumstances our code is broken and this is why 
> > the tests are failing.
> > 
> > The issue is that we are serving old JavaScript along with new JavaScript 
> > and these files are naturally incompatible causing the errors as they are 
> > trying to access old frontend APIs that no longer exist.
> > 
> > How ResourceLoader deals with caching changed last month and I suspect 
> > there is a bug in that code. I suspect Timo would be able to help me chase 
> > down the route cause further.
> > 
> > In the meantime I'm not sure if there is a way to stop the email spam till 
> > this gets resolved. One idea I had was that when a test build fails it 
> > would be great if the email alerts stopped and developers become 
> > responsible for restarting them. Greg/Antoine/Dan is this possible? There's 
> > little benefit in continuing to run them every day and emailing about 
> > faikures until this test is fixed.
> > 
> > Any help on https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T100542 much appreciated. I'm 
> > out of my depth as this issue seems to fall outside the good ship 
> > readership and more in the ResourceLoader and quality assurance sea.

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