On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 9:08 PM, Laszlo Ersek <ler...@redhat.com> wrote: > On 07/22/15 13:42, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote: >> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Laszlo Ersek <ler...@redhat.com> wrote: >>> On 07/22/15 11:05, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote: >>>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 12:58:59AM +0200, Laszlo Ersek wrote: >>>>> On 07/21/15 18:10, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Paolo Bonzini <pbonz...@redhat.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> On 21/07/2015 16:25, Peter Maydell wrote: >>>>>> or work >>>>>> with others to add upstream maintainers. >>>>> >>>>> When we can't get the maintainer's attention for our patches, and when >>>>> the maintainer tends to rewrite even those patches he more or less >>>>> likes, how do you propose we convince him to give *push access* to >>>>> random people? >>>>> >>>>>> I see that Hannes Reinecke >>>>>> also has patches on ipxe-devel that look ignored, so Gred and Laszlo >>>>>> are not the only ones struggling to get patches upstream into ipxe. >>>>> >>>>> I've said it several times (on other lists too), and I'll say it again: >>>>> ipxe is not an "open process" community project at this point. The last >>>>> half year, as Paolo indicated, and as I proved above, has been ample >>>>> experience. >>>> >>>> I understand the frustration with upstream. Thanks for posting a >>>> summary of stranded patch series, it helped explain that. >>>> >>>> The reason I'm suggesting reaching out to Michael Brown is that the >>>> downstream repo will only be an "open process" for us virtualization >>>> developers. It won't have a user community, support, or help improve >>>> the situation for non-virtualization developers - all things which >>>> matter for a healthy long-term open source project. >>> >>> All the things upstream ipxe has been lacking for at least half a year >>> now, without much indication that it could improve. >>> >>>> It may be simplest if Gerd maintains a QEMU downstream repository. I'm >>>> not against that. But let's notify Michael Brown so he has a chance to >>>> consider the problem. >>> >>> If you can reach out to Michael Brown, that would be highly appreciated. >>> Personally I lost all hope. >> >> Done. > > Thanks. Looks like you got through. Obviously, that cannot be ascribed > to anything else than blind luck, or a personal relationship from the > past. Ie. things that should not matter in open source.
Maybe a bit of both. I sent a link to the email thread via IRC. Stefan