"Michael S. Tsirkin" <m...@redhat.com> wrote on 01/20/2016 10:58:02 AM:

> From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <m...@redhat.com>

> 
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 10:36:41AM -0500, Stefan Berger wrote:
> > "Michael S. Tsirkin" <m...@redhat.com> wrote on 01/20/2016 10:20:58 AM:
> > 
> > > From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <m...@redhat.com>
> > 
> > > >
> > > > The CUSE TPM and associated tools can be found here:
> > > >
> > > > https://github.com/stefanberger/swtpm
> > > >
> > > > (please use the latest version)
> > > >
> > > > To use the external CUSE TPM, the CUSE TPM should be started as 
follows:
> > > >
> > > > # terminate previously started CUSE TPM
> > > > /usr/bin/swtpm_ioctl -s /dev/vtpm-test
> > > >
> > > > # start CUSE TPM
> > > > /usr/bin/swtpm_cuse -n vtpm-test
> > > >
> > > > QEMU can then be started using the following parameters:
> > > >
> > > > qemu-system-x86_64 \
> > > >    [...] \
> > > >         -tpmdev cuse-tpm,id=tpm0,cancel-path=/dev/null,path=/
> dev/vtpm-test
> > \
> > > >         -device tpm-tis,id=tpm0,tpmdev=tpm0 \
> > > >    [...]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Signed-off-by: Stefan Berger <stef...@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
> > > > Cc: Eric Blake <ebl...@redhat.com>
> > >
> > > Before we add a dependency on this interface,
> > > I'd rather see this interface supported in kernel
> > > and not just in CUSE.
> > 
> > For using the single hardware TPM, we have the passthrough type. 
> It's usage is
> > limited.
> > 
> > CUSE extends the TPM character device interface with ioctl's. Behind 
the
> > character device we can implement a TPM 1.2 and a TPM 2. Both TPM
> > implementations require large amounts of code, which I don't 
thinkshould go
> > into the Linux kernel itself. So I don't know who would implement this
> > interface inside the Linux kernel.
> > 
> >   Stefan
> > 
> 
> BTW I'm not talking about the code - I'm talking about the interfaces 
here.
> 
> One way would be to add support for these interface support in the 
kernel.
> 
> Maybe others can be replaced with QMP events so management
> can take the necessary action.
> 
> As long as this is not the case, I suspect this code will have to stay
> out of tree :( We can't depend on interfaces provided solely by cuse
> devices on github.

Why is that? I know that the existing ioctls cannot be modified anymore 
once QEMU accepts the code. So I don't understand it. Some of the ioctls 
are only useful when emulating a hardware device, so there's no need for 
them in a kernel interface unless one was to put the vTPM code into the 
Linux kernel, but I don't see that this is happening. What is better about 
a kernel interface versus one implemented by a project on github assuming 
that the existing ioctls are stable? What is the real reason here?

   Stefan


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