On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 10:32:12AM +0000, Marc Zyngier wrote: > On 29/01/18 10:04, Peter Maydell wrote: > > On 29 January 2018 at 09:53, Dr. David Alan Gilbert <dgilb...@redhat.com> > > wrote: > >> * Peter Maydell (peter.mayd...@linaro.org) wrote: > >>> On 26 January 2018 at 19:46, Dr. David Alan Gilbert <dgilb...@redhat.com> > >>> wrote: > >>>> * Peter Maydell (peter.mayd...@linaro.org) wrote: > >>>>> I think the correct fix here is that your test code should turn > >>>>> its MMU on. Trying to treat guest RAM as uncacheable doesn't work > >>>>> for Arm KVM guests (for the same reason that VGA device video memory > >>>>> doesn't work). If it's RAM your guest has to arrange to map it as > >>>>> Normal Cacheable, and then everything should work fine. > >>>> > >>>> Does this cause problems with migrating at just the wrong point during > >>>> a VM boot? > >>> > >>> It wouldn't surprise me if it did, but I don't think I've ever > >>> tried to provoke that problem... > >> > >> If you think it'll get the RAM contents wrong, it might be best to fail > >> the migration if you can detect the cache is disabled in the guest. > > > > I guess QEMU could look at the value of the "MMU disabled/enabled" bit > > in the guest's system registers, and refuse migration if it's off... > > > > (cc'd Marc, Christoffer to check that I don't have the wrong end > > of the stick about how thin the ice is in the period before the > > guest turns on its MMU...) > > Once MMU and caches are on, we should be in a reasonable place for QEMU > to have a consistent view of the memory. The trick is to prevent the > vcpus from changing that. A guest could perfectly turn off its MMU at > any given time if it needs to (and it is actually required on some HW if > you want to mitigate headlining CVEs), and KVM won't know about that. >
(Clarification: KVM can detect this is it bother to check the VCPU's system registers, but we don't trap to KVM when the VCPU turns off its caches, right?) > You may have to pause the vcpus before starting the migration, or > introduce a new KVM feature that would automatically pause a vcpu that > is trying to disable its MMU while the migration is on. This would > involve trapping all the virtual memory related system registers, with > an obvious cost. But that cost would be limited to the time it takes to > migrate the memory, so maybe that's acceptable. > Is that even sufficient? What if the following happened. (1) guest turns off MMU, (2) guest writes some data directly to ram (3) qemu stops the vcpu (4) qemu reads guest ram. QEMU's view of guest ram is now incorrect (stale, incoherent, ...). I'm also not really sure if pausing one VCPU because it turned off its MMU will go very well when trying to migrate a large VM (wouldn't this ask for all the other VCPUs beginning to complain that the stopped VCPU appears to be dead?). As a short-term 'fix' it's probably better to refuse migration if you detect that a VCPU had begun turning off its MMU. On the larger scale of thins; this appears to me to be another case of us really needing some way to coherently access memory between QEMU and the VM, but in the case of the VCPU turning off the MMU prior to migration, we don't even know where it may have written data, and I'm therefore not really sure what the 'proper' solution would be. (cc'ing Ard who has has thought about this problem before in the context of UEFI and VGA.) Thanks, -Christoffer
