Hi, Answers below > Le 9 juin 2018 à 02:06, Springfield Harrison <stellar...@gmail.com> a écrit : > > Hello Responders, > > Thanks very much for your suggestions and comments. Very helpful. > > I must say though that the last few comments have again underscored my > nervousness about changing anything that isn't completely broken.
Ok but are having problems so things are broken. > > Firstly, why are there two installation processes and what is the purpose of > each? This implies making a choice after learning about the benefits and > disadvantages of each. What are the criteria for choosing one over the > other? How long is the process of understanding the options? There is the easy install and the OSGEO instal. The latest will give you more choices, like installing many versions or additional packages. You can also simply ask it to install all desktop package without having to ask yourself to many questions. The only disadvantage is that it does not really provide a good mechanism for uninstalling Qgis. You sometimes need to do it manually when things get complicated. That is my preferred install method. I think the easier Qgis install has a complete remove option usually found in windows. > > Secondly, there seems to be no great consensus over the possibility (or not) > of conflicts between simultaneous installations. Again, this makes me > nervous. According to the Anita Grazer link I sent you, 2 and 3 store the settling and plugins in different places. Anita is my guru. If she said it was safe... it is safe! But I also tried it and what she said is correct. 2 and 3 live together and do not interact but yes, the problem is real in many cases, just not this time. > > Thirdly, why are some operators running two or three simultaneous > installations? Does this mean that the latest version is not adequate for > some tasks? Some installs are for stable long term support (LTS). Some are under development (DEV). Qgis3,0 is what they call early adopters (so it is more likely to have bug but they have all the latest bling). The nightly builds are version containing the most resent fixes. Generally speaking, I go with the LTS at work and other versions at home. > > All these things give me pause and discourage me from wading in to something > that may have a lengthy learning curve and an unpredictable outcome. In this > case, the devil you know definitely seems to be a worthy rule of thumb. At > least, until it fails utterly. Fix problems when you have time. Plan for extra time. Backup you data regularly so if shit hits the fan... you have a copy of all your files. This is just common good sense computer user practice. Consider the problems you create and solve as a learning experience and not an obstacle. Things get much less stressful if you know that you can only loose time and not your important data. > > In that regard, I discovered that at some point I had installed 2.8.1 and, > remarkably, it would load my ostensibly corrupt configuration file. I appear > to be back in business. Therefore your Qgis 2.10 is probably at fault and a update will more likely give you a more stable environment with better and newer features. Remember that opening a Qgis project from a higher version to a Lower version can lead to problems so make sure you add the Qgis version in the name of the file. > > However, this version still bogs down upon loading the various layers but > does not fail after the delay. There are about 100 layers, mostly vector. Things have probably improved since... that is why and upgrade is justified. > > Anyway, not sure if this is particularly helpful but is my current thinking > on the upgrading process. Well we see that this is not easy for you. I sometimes feel the same sitting in front of a Mac where my reflexes are not as sharp as with windows. Again, do it if when you have the time, consider this as a learning experience and not an obstacle. Backup your data when doing something you are not sure of and use community support. > > Thank you all again for your assistance… > > Cheers . . . . . Spring Harrison > > > >> On 08-Jun-2018 06:25, DelazJ wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Years that I'm using the osgeo4w installer (advanced install) with three >> concurrent releases minimum (ltr, current release, dev, and sometimes >> ltr-dev) and I can't recall on any issue I got due to this situation. >> And afaics there's nothing to be particularly careful of, it's just about >> click click click process and all got installed in the c:\osgeo4w64 folder. >> >> Just wanted to share my experience. >> >> Regards, >> Harrissou >> >> >> 2018-06-08 13:49 GMT+02:00 Philip Barlow <phil...@pembrokeshirecoast.org.uk>: >>> AFAIK if you install QGIS with the standalone installer that just puts the >>> application and everything it needs into a folder in program files. You may >>> encounter issues if you installed multiple versions with the osgeo4w >>> installer if you aren’t careful. >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Qgis-user [mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of >>> Patrick Dunford >>> Sent: 08 June 2018 11:01 >>> >>> >>> To: qgis-user ML >>> Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] Unable to load project >>> >>> >>> That may be the case for the application. However, depending on the >>> installation, shared libraries may be overwritten when a new installation >>> is carried out and cause older software versions to stop working. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 08/06/18 20:11, Philip Barlow wrote: >>> >>> I am happily running 2.18.20, 3.0.3 and 3.1 (nightly builds) side by side >>> on Windows 10. 2.x and 3.x store their user settings and plugins in >>> different locations so there are no conflicts. >>> >>> >>> >>> Phil >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Qgis-user [mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of >>> Patrick Dunford >>> Sent: 08 June 2018 05:02 >>> To: qgis-user ML >>> Subject: Re: [Qgis-user] Unable to load project >>> >>> >>> >>> The Windows version of Qgis allows you to run multiple versions on your >>> computer side by side. I personally haven't used the Windows version for >>> several years so I can't be sure if you will have any issues running 3.0 >>> alongside your current version. I run many of the editions I have in >>> virtual machines. If your PC has 8 GB or more of memory, or if you have >>> access to another computer that can run Linux, then you can try it out in a >>> Linux virtual machine or physical computer environment without disturbing >>> your current installation. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 08/06/18 07:38, Springfield Harrison wrote: >>> >>> hello Patrick, thanks for your ideas. I will try the no plugins option. >>> >>> The program will run with no project loaded and it will run older project >>> files but has problems with newer ones for the same project. >>> >>> I can load an older project file and then add newer layers to it and >>> reconfigure them, Etc. This is very tedious but will amount to a recovery. >>> It is better than starting from scratch for sure. But will the same problem >>> reoccur? >>> >>> I have contemplated migrating to version 3 but I'm always leery of upgrades >>> of anything as they often bring problems with them. In this list I notice >>> many references to installation issues and things not running. 2.10 is a >>> devil I know. >>> >>> can I expect any difficulties installing 3.0 +? >>> >>> Cheers . . . . . Spring >>> Samsung Tab 4 >>> >>> On Jun 7, 2018 1:30 AM, "Patrick Dunford" <enzedrailm...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Thre are a number of troubleshooting steps to try out >>> >>> 1. Start up qgis using the -noplugins switch or remove all installed >>> plugins or test removing one at a time. >>> >>> 2. Backup the config file and start with a new empty config. >>> >>> Qgis 2.10 is well out of support, is there any reason you can't migrate to >>> 3.0? >>> >>> >>> >>> On 07/06/18 18:28, Springfield Harrison wrote: >>> >>> hello Phil, >>> >>> I did open the project file in Word, 2033 pages, and found 13 instances >>> referring to the dxf file. Hard to say if anything was wrong there, nothing >>> obvious. At least to me. Some other research I did indicates that maybe >>> there is an authentication problem, not sure just what that boils down to. >>> >>> I don't think the dxf file is the problem. I renamed it and bypassed it on >>> the startup routine which the program accepted but it still seized up with >>> a spinning cursor. Some things still function, such as modifying the >>> properties of a layer , Etc. But the screen is blank and nothing can be >>> saved. >>> >>> For some time I have noticed that loading a project file bogs down for a >>> while and then would resume to completion. Now it bogs down and blows up. >>> The key message seems to be unknown exception. >>> >>> Some older project files do load successfully however... >>> >>> Cheers . . . . . Spring >>> Samsung Tab 4 >>> >>> On Jun 6, 2018 11:15 PM, "Phil Wyatt" <p...@wyatt-family.com> wrote: >>> >>> Can you open a copy of the previous project file in something like notepad >>> and see if anything obvious can be fixed and or removed in relation to the >>> DXF layer? >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Qgis-user [mailto:qgis-user-boun...@lists.osgeo.org] On Behalf Of >>> Springfield Harrison >>> Sent: Thursday, 7 June 2018 1:36 PM >>> To: qgis-user@lists.osgeo.org List >>> Subject: [Qgis-user] Unable to load project >>> >>> >>> >>> Hello All, >>> >>> Bad News. I am unable to load a project that normally works with no >>> problems: >>> >>> QGIS 2.10.1, Windows 7. >>> Project starts to load, loads many layers . . . >>> halts loading "point Entity", a DXF file >>> the DXF file was renamed to trigger the Handle Bad Layers service >>> this was bypassed but project loading still fails to complete, cursor >>> spinner on constantly >>> exiting with Save triggers "Unknown Exception" >>> the project file is trashed to 0kb >>> Exiting without Save is OK but no project can be loaded >>> Restoring previous project file versions yields the same results >>> Loading some other projects works but may have cursor spinner >>> Any ideas what is going on here? I have rebooted the computer. >>> >>> Thanks very much . . . . >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers . . . . . 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