I agree, in a democracy there is only one healthy response when the humble servant of the membership who has been honoured with the post of chairman of a hobby club tells people what to think and say and that is to think: resign Mr Chairman resign now and vote against him at the next election.
BTW leaving aside who owns this list which has been clarified by Bruce Nicholls there are troubling elements in Mr Masons email : 1) The precise timing of the emails referred to and in particular the 4 minute response to the original email that upset Mr Mason - the nearest I have in timing in my archive (deleted folder) is one thanking the sender of the first for his work in setting up the meeting and indicating that he is looking forward to it. Whats upsetting about that? 2) The almost defamatory email of saturday 12th November : Which saturday the 12th November was that email sent. We haven't had a saturday 12th November this year. The size of the outburst along with the use of precise detail which is inaccurate, language and capitalisation can be taken to indicate a colossal stress level in the sender so perhaps a change of chairman should be contemplated for the good of Mr Masons health? Best wishes Duncan Neithercut -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeremy Taffel Sent: 21 November 2004 18:05 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Fw: ENOUGH is ENOUGH and MORE THAN ENOUGH What an extraordinary outburst!! I'd be intrigued to know what the censored 4 paras said! This looks like an attempt to intimidate us all into silence by pretending that this is a Quanta list. Does he think we are totally stupid? Thank's Geoff for posting this and letting us see how unfit Mr Mason is chair Quanta. Perhaps we should all rejoin Quanta forthwith, just so that we can take the satisfaction in voting him out of office N.B. I left many years ago in protest in their misuse of members funds (honoraria). In my opinion, they are still mis-using the funds ; i.e. not using them. What is the point in a non-profit making organisation in making year upon year profits, and hoarding the cash whilst membership dwindles and the product slowly dies? anyone else up for a coup? Jeremy gwicks wrote: >I have decided to forward this message as I think all Quanta members should read it. Derogatory comments about a third person have been removed. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: john mason >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Cc: John Mason ; Geoff Wicks ; John Gregory ; Roy Brereton ; John Gilpin ; John Southern ; Tony Firshman >Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 8:57 PM >Subject: ENOUGH is ENOUGH and MORE THAN ENOUGH > > >From: Chairman QUANTA >To: ALL Subscribers QUANTA FORUM - [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Copy to: Geoff Wicks, Tony Firshman, QUANTA Committee >DTO: 201104:2030Z >ENOUGH is ENOUGH and MORE THAN ENOUGH > > >Some seven years ago Quanta Committee decided that it would be good for QL'ers to have their own Internet based Forum. Robin Barker, then Chairman, very kindly undertook the task of setting this up. At the same time he rationalised email contact with Committee Members by providing a system of email addresses which automatically forward to Committee Members no matter how many times they themselves change or how many times their personal email addresses do so as well. > > > >There were problems with the first chosen ISP, and another was found. > > > >The QUANTA email Forum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> site has more than proved its value to Quanta members as a place to present news, exchange ideas, solve problems, and perhaps most importantly debate issues of interest to the QL fraternity. > > > >Most topics are constructively discussed but not surprisingly occasionally debate gets quite heated. Fortunately, up to now, Quanta Committee have not had to intervene since the Forum has proved to be self regulating, and itself dealt quickly with any offender. > > > >That, unfortunately, cannot be said to be the position since mid October last. > > > >An email was posted on the board in which a subscriber alleged that "Quanta is out of touch with the QL community", boasted that "I had hijacked the QL2004 idea", said "I don't regret doing it because we are going to have a bloody good time on Sunday" , continued "it would not have happened if we had left it to Quanta". Carried away by his own verbosity he carries on for some time making yet more allegations. Eventually saying "Another thought I am having is what is the point of Quanta making another £1,000 profit if it never spends its money on anything" and finally remarks "Having written that I should remind everyone that I am a member of the Quanta committee and I accept a degree of responsibility," > > > >Within four minutes of this email being sent a second subscriber responded - adding to not, unfortunately, rebuking the first. > > > >Seemingly mistaking Quanta Committee's "Freedom of Speech" tolerance policy for something else the dialogue continued with the same slant, and eventually, on Saturday 12th November, an assertion was made naming a member and capable of being interpreted as being defamatory. In so doing they have put both themselves and QL Users and Tinkerers Association at risk. If they desire to do so to themselves that is one thing; but to imperil Quanta is another. > > > >Committee has, over the years, dealt with a number of situations in which members have put themselves very close to the line. Fortunately, for Quanta as a whole, Committee have not had, so far, to invoke the Constitution to resolve same. > > > >I have no intention of responding to the assertions made on a point by point basis. That would be even more destructive. I would be, however, failing in my duty to all Quanta Members if I did not seek to correct some of that which has been portrayed as being ascertainable fact. > > > >1. It is true that Geoffrey Wicks was elected to this year's Committee at the Quanta Annual General Meeting held in Manchester on Sunday 18th April 2004. The Meeting was fully aware that he had the status of a QL Trader. > >2. It is true that Geoffrey Wicks did attend the meeting of Quanta Committee held at Hove on Sunday 23rd May 2004. Further he did participate freely in the matters then considered, and moreover agreed that Roy Brereton should continue to be responsible for the Quanta International Workshop to mark the 21st Anniversary of both the QL and of QUANTA . The workshop to be held in the Portsmouth area, and at a time which would permit the inclusion of the Annual General Meeting for 2005. > >3. It is true that neither at the Hove Committee Meeting nor since has he made any attempt to approach either Roy Brereton or myself, as common courtesy expects, with an offer to assist in any way with the "QL is 21" proposed Quanta International Workshop. > > > > > >****4 paragraphs of derogatory comment removed******* > > > > > >ENOUGH is ENOUGH and MORE THAN ENOUGH > > > >Quanta Committee has and will, as always, continue to welcome constructive contributions on the topic of a "Quanta International Workshop in 2005"; but as and from the "Sent date and time" of this email any further attempts to extend the recent non-constructive line will be regarded as being an abuse, and not tolerated. > > > >It is NOW time to move on - > > > >Firstly, Quanta will be marking 2005 with a "QL is 21" Quanta International Workshop of two days duration at Portsmouth - subject of course to any decisions that Quanta Committee may make - details will be announced in both Quanta Magazine and placed on the Web Site as quickly as possible. > > > >Beyond that I, personally, hope and believe that QUANTA will be marking its 25th Anniversary in 2009 with a major QUANTA International Workshop in the UK. I hope that Sub-Groups in all other countries will do the same. > > > >Secondly, your Committee will, as always, be pleased to take into account your views and suggestions - if you want to ensure that you are heard then PLEASE send them direct to John Southern, Quanta Secretary by letter or email or telephone. All those addresses are given on the inside of the front cover of Quanta Magazine. Copy them, by all means, if you so wish to the email Forum board - < [EMAIL PROTECTED] >. > > > >Thirdly, if you are willing and able to help with getting the show on the road or with helping to run it when held - then PLEASE contact Roy Brereton direct - contact details also on the inside cover of Quanta Magazine > > > >Fourthly, Please do tell us that you will be coming - Its Your Celebration - moreover I expect Quanta to be in a position to offer special accommodation rates, and I have hopes of a parallel programme for your ladies! > > > >Finally, I continue to be available to ALL QUANTA members who would like to talk to me - if it is of an evening then I should be obliged if you would follow the longstanding Quanta practice of telephoning before 22.30 hours UK time > > > >Thank you > > > >Keep on QL'ing > > > >John Mason > > > >Quanta Chairman >_______________________________________________ >QL-Users Mailing List >http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm > > > _______________________________________________ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm _______________________________________________ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
