qmail Digest 21 Jan 2000 11:00:01 -0000 Issue 887
Topics (messages 35774 through 35855):
Re: SMTP From MSN.COM ?
35774 by: Michael Boman
35775 by: Anand Buddhdev
35780 by: Sam
35781 by: Chris Johnson
35782 by: hsilver.pyx.net
35831 by: Sam
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: SMTP From MSN.COM ?]
35776 by: Anand Buddhdev
Corrupt to: header
35777 by: Thies Edeling (Cessnalaan)
how to improve mailing lists performance
35778 by: Haifeng Guo
35789 by: Dave Sill
Timezone
35779 by: Martin Renner
35784 by: Mads E Eilertsen
35788 by: Walt Mankowski
35793 by: Dave Sill
35795 by: Mads E Eilertsen
35796 by: Paul Trippett
35797 by: Scott D. Yelich
35799 by: Wolfgang Schemmel
35800 by: Mark Delany
35801 by: Dave Sill
35802 by: Scott D. Yelich
35804 by: Dave Sill
35805 by: Russell Nelson
35806 by: craig.jcb-sc.com
35807 by: Russell Nelson
35808 by: Ian Lance Taylor
35809 by: Dave Sill
35810 by: petervd.vuurwerk.nl
35811 by: Ian Lance Taylor
35812 by: Russell Nelson
35814 by: petervd.vuurwerk.nl
35816 by: Paul Trippett
35832 by: Sam
35833 by: Sam
35838 by: Walt Mankowski
35839 by: Sam
forward returns hard error on "DTLINE not set" - why?
35783 by: Petr Novotny
bounces
35785 by: Abel Lucano
35786 by: Anand Buddhdev
35787 by: Abel Lucano
Re: POP and pine/elm
35790 by: Dave Sill
Re: Help,-ERR this user has no $HOME/Maildir?
35791 by: Dave Sill
Error Starting qmail-pop3d
35792 by: Andrea Verni
MIME trouble or what?
35794 by: Tony Gottfridsson
35834 by: Sam
Re: Maildir format
35798 by: Matthew Schnierle
How do I change FROM filed of header.
35803 by: Gustavo Arjones
Re: Negatives in grammar
35813 by: Len Budney
35817 by: Dave Sill
35819 by: petervd.vuurwerk.nl
35821 by: Len Budney
35825 by: Scott D. Yelich
checkpassword and ldap (was: Qmail with LDAP Auth)
35815 by: Andrzej Szydlo
35818 by: Andre Oppermann
35849 by: Andrea Verni
35854 by: Andrzej Szydlo
anonymous mailing lists
35820 by: Albert Hopkins
35822 by: Matthew B. Henniges
35823 by: Bruce Guenter
qmail sending multi messages
35824 by: BoB Hope
TimeZone patch
35826 by: Dave Stites
35827 by: Dave Sill
35830 by: Dave Stites
Oslo training reminder, and discount
35828 by: Russell Nelson
ORBS + MAPS + DUL
35829 by: Todd A. Jacobs
35852 by: Anand Buddhdev
Cannot creating user account with an & in qmailadmin
35835 by: john
35837 by: iv0
35842 by: Stephen Mills
How to - Japanese version of Qmail
35836 by: john
High-load servers...
35840 by: Michael Boman
35841 by: Michael Boman
35843 by: Mark Delany
35848 by: John White
Big Problem with virtualdomains, qmail mustn't rewrite recipient !
35844 by: Puck
35845 by: Chris Johnson
35847 by: Paul Trippett
35850 by: Dr. Erwin Hoffmann
35851 by: Puck
pop3 don't work and smtp work very slow
35846 by: chenweih.PAIC.com.cn
relay-ctrl 1.2 problem
35853 by: Olivier M.
Vdeliver takes too long
35855 by: Marcelo Costa
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On Thu, Jan 20, 2000 at 05:39:59AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > One of my clients has an employee that travels quite a bit > with a notebook computer. That employee uses Windows 95 and > Eudora Pro email client software. That employee also uses > msn.com for his ISP. > > My client runs qmail-1.03. The pop3 services works very well > for receiving email when the employee is on the road. pop3 > and SMTP works well locally on my clients LAN. > > However, when the employee in on the road and dials into msn.com > from various locations around the country, SMTP attempts at relaying > through my client's server and the result in a #553 message. > > The employee and I tried setting the SMTP server to msn.com in the > outgoing SMTP server setting in Eudora without success at sending > out email. We then tried email.msn.com and then smtp.email.msn.com > and were also not successful at sending out email. He can not > successfully send email out with my client's company email address > in the From: field. > > I've read and re-read section 5.4 of the qmail FAQ and I concluded > that because the employee dials in from various locations, he doesn't > have a static IP address to add to /etc/hosts.allow as RELAYCLIENT > or as described in section 5.4 of the FAQ. > > Obviously, putting all of .msn.com in the /etc/hosts.allow in > RELAYCLIENT at the client site is out of the question. > > So what I am wondering is without having to recompile and re-install > the entire qmail package with various patches, is there a relatively > simple solution ? What are msn.com users doing with Eudora Pro that > allows them to use yahoo.com and hotmail.com as second email boxes ? There is a way and that is to use "roaming users" (exist in vpopmail and you im quite sure you will find a independent patch on the qmail's homepage). This allow people that has successfully auth. themself for POP3 download to use your SMTP server for X minutes, where X is something you decide when you compile. I think this is what you are looking for. I am confident that you will be able to install it, else bug the list =) You have to recompile, sorry. BTW: vpopmail is a great package, so you might want to take a look at it. You can read about it at http://www.inter7.com/vpopmail/ (no, I don't get any money for this from inter7 =p) Best regards Michael Boman -- W I Z O F F I C E . C O M P T E L T D - Your Online Wizard 16 Tannery Lane, Crystal Time Building, #06-00, Singapore 347778 Ring : (65) 844 3228 [ext 118] Fax : (65) 842 7228 email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL : http://www.wizoffice.com
On Thu, Jan 20, 2000 at 07:11:43PM +0800, Michael Boman wrote: > > So what I am wondering is without having to recompile and re-install > > the entire qmail package with various patches, is there a relatively > > simple solution ? What are msn.com users doing with Eudora Pro that > > allows them to use yahoo.com and hotmail.com as second email boxes ? > > There is a way and that is to use "roaming users" (exist in vpopmail > and you im quite sure you will find a independent patch on the qmail's > homepage). This allow people that has successfully auth. themself for > POP3 download to use your SMTP server for X minutes, where X is something > you decide when you compile. I think this is what you are looking for. No need to recompile anything. I have a standard qmail installation, and using some simple perl and shell scripts, I'm doing POP-before-SMTP relaying for my roaming users. If you want some more help, let me know, and I'll send you details. -- See complete headers for more info
On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > However, when the employee in on the road and dials into msn.com > from various locations around the country, SMTP attempts at relaying > through my client's server and the result in a #553 message. > > The employee and I tried setting the SMTP server to msn.com in the > outgoing SMTP server setting in Eudora without success at sending > out email. We then tried email.msn.com and then smtp.email.msn.com > and were also not successful at sending out email. So why don't you simply call msn.com's technical support, and have them tell you what is the name of their mail server.
> > The employee and I tried setting the SMTP server to > > msn.com in the outgoing SMTP server setting in Eudora > > without success at sending out email. We then tried > > email.msn.com and then smtp.email.msn.com and were also > > not successful at sending out email. > > So why don't you simply call msn.com's technical support, > and have them tell you what is the name of their mail server. I don't know if this is still the case, but at one point in time msn.com would *silently* discard any mail sent through their SMTP servers with a non-msn.com envelope address. Chris
On Thu, 20 Jan 2000, Sam hath penned; > On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > However, when the employee in on the road and dials into msn.com > > from various locations around the country, SMTP attempts at relaying > > through my client's server and the result in a #553 message. > > > > The employee and I tried setting the SMTP server to msn.com in the > > outgoing SMTP server setting in Eudora without success at sending > > out email. We then tried email.msn.com and then smtp.email.msn.com > > and were also not successful at sending out email. > > So why don't you simply call msn.com's technical support, and have them > tell you what is the name of their mail server. After spending 19 minutes on hold to a long distance "technical support" number last evening with no answer and Musak, I hung up. Regards, Harley Silver
On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Thu, 20 Jan 2000, Sam hath penned; > > > On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > out email. We then tried email.msn.com and then smtp.email.msn.com > > > and were also not successful at sending out email. > > > > So why don't you simply call msn.com's technical support, and have them > > tell you what is the name of their mail server. > > > After spending 19 minutes on hold to a long distance "technical > support" number last evening with no answer and Musak, I hung up. I usually accept things like that as a suggestion to change ISPs. -- Sam
Some other people asked for my scripts, so I'm posting them to the list. -- See complete headers for more info
On Thu, Jan 20, 2000 at 06:42:03AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Yes. I'd like more details please. OK. The basic idea is to allow relaying from a certain IP, after the users POP their email. The way I do it on my system is this: 1. The POP server is wrapped in a shell script that captures the user's IP address, and sends it to a special perl script on the same machine; this perl script adds the IP address to a file used by tcpserver and then rebuilds the CDB database. The perl script is launched out of a tcpserver listening on port 50000 on IP 127.0.0.1, so I don't really have to worry about arbitrary users adding IP addresses to the file. run the POP server like this: tcpserver [options] 0 110 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup hostname checkpassword /var/qmail/scripts/popb4smtp.sh & run the other daemon like this: tcpserver [options] 127.0.0.1 50000 /var/qmail/scripts/allow-relay.sh & 2. A second script running out of cron every 15 minutes, looks up the file being written above, and removes old entries, where "old" is configurable. The scripts are attached below: Look through them: If you still have questions, let me know. Some assumptions: 1. you have perl installed on your system. You'll have to look through the scripts to make sure the path to perl is correct. 2. You have setlock installed on your system. You can get this from the serialmail package. Alternatively, if you use FreeBSD, you can use the lockf utility, which does a similar job. Read the man page of lockf for more info (it might be easier to just compile and install setlock). 3. make a directory called scripts inside /var/qmail and put all the scripts there. Also create a /var/qmail/etc directory, and put your tcpserver.smtp file in there (this one has your normal IP's which allow relaying - if you don't use this, you might want to just touch it anyway, or edit the scripts not to use it - they're very simple). -- See complete headers for more info
allow-relay.sh
Hello all, I'm using qmail with ezmlm(-idx) on Redhat 6.1. Works excellent and stuff until a few days ago when I added a few more pop-accounts. Sometimes the to: header is totally corrupt, see below. This also happens with local deliveries, mail sent from a local to user to a local user. Anyone has any idea what's going on ? It's for sure not a corrupt sector on my HD - it would be a bit too much coincidence if just the to: field would be corrupt. regards, Thies Edeling btw. node1f46.a2000.nl = eternal.rrm.net > Hi. This is the qmail-send program at eternal.rrm.net. > I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. > This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. > > <U<ìÿuÿuÿu ÿuÿu ÿðµw]Â@eternal.rrm.net>: > Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. (#5.1.1) > > --- Below this line is a copy of the message. > > Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Received: (qmail 13665 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2000 11:02:32 -0000 > Received: from unknown (HELO eternity) (192.168.1.2) > by node1f46.a2000.nl with SMTP; 20 Jan 2000 11:02:32 -0000 > Message-ID: <002801bf6335$9a83ab00$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > From: "Marscha van Bentum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Thies Edeling" <U<ìÿuÿuÿu ÿuÿu ÿðµw]Â> > Subject: Re: > Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:00:46 +0100 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700
Hi: I use ezmlm+ezmlm-idx as our mailling lists server,I have a lot of mailing lists on my server,some lists subscribe is over 30000,I use this lists to send our news,I found when I sent a message to the lists,the subscribe will take a long time to receive the mail(over serveral hours),I have compile qmail to support 255 qmail-remote and run qmail under tcpserver with 400 concurrent smtp connetion,how about it?
"Haifeng Guo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I use ezmlm+ezmlm-idx as our mailling lists server,I have a lot of >mailing lists on my server,some lists subscribe is over 30000,I use >this lists to send our news,I found when I sent a message to the >lists,the subscribe will take a long time to receive the mail(over >serveral hours),I have compile qmail to support 255 qmail-remote and >run qmail under tcpserver with 400 concurrent smtp connetion,how >about it? Does concurrencyremote stay near 255 during these times when subscribers are waiting for messages? If so, and you have I/O capacity to spare, apply the big-concurrency patch available from www.qmail.org. (I'm running with a concurrencyremote of 500.) If not, you may be I/O bound, or suffering from the qmail-send bottleneck, whereby new injections (such as bounces) throttle outgoing mail. If you're I/O bound, you'll have to rearrange or upgrade your hardware. If you're hitting the qmail-send bottleneck, try a dual installation where you have one qmail for sending list messages and another for handling SMTP injections. Do you run a caching nameserver (DJB's dnscache is the best) on the list server? Are you logging with daemontools? -Dave
Hi. We are using qmail on Sun Solaris 7. When we are sending mails, the header of them is looking like this: ------------------ Received: from a.b.c (mailsrvr [192.168.230.23]) by email.tiscon.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA03719 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:58:04 +0100 Received: (qmail 11852 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2000 11:55:06 -0000 Received: from b.b.c (HELO websrvr) (192.168.230.22) by a.b.c with SMTP; 20 Jan 2000 11:55:06 -0000 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:57:25 +0100 (GMT+01:00) ------------------ The "Date" field is set correctly, our email server "email.tiscon.de" is setting the time correctly (12:58:04 +0100), but qmail is setting the time to "11:55:06 -0000". How can we instruct qmail to insert the correct time and timezone? BTW: We are in Europe/Berlin, so +0100 is correct. Martin
On Thu, 20 Jan 2000, Martin Renner wrote: [...] qmail is setting the time > to "11:55:06 -0000". Yes, qmail always uses UTC. Mads
On Thu, Jan 20, 2000 at 02:54:00PM +0100, Mads E Eilertsen wrote: > On Thu, 20 Jan 2000, Martin Renner wrote: > > [...] qmail is setting the time > > to "11:55:06 -0000". > > Yes, qmail always uses UTC. But there's a patch available that will use your local timezone instead. Search on one the www.qmail.org mirrors for "timezone".
Walt Mankowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Thu, Jan 20, 2000 at 02:54:00PM +0100, Mads E Eilertsen wrote: >> On Thu, 20 Jan 2000, Martin Renner wrote: >> >> [...] qmail is setting the time >> > to "11:55:06 -0000". >> >> Yes, qmail always uses UTC. > >But there's a patch available that will use your local timezone >instead. Search on one the www.qmail.org mirrors for "timezone". But there are good reasons qmail works the way it does. If you don't understand them, you shouldn't apply the patch. -Dave
On Thu, 20 Jan 2000, Walt Mankowski wrote: > But there's a patch available that will use your local timezone > instead. [...] Sure, but why tamper with qmail's approach? When tracking down delivery problems it's easier for humans and programs to read the Received:-lines when all time stamps are in the same timezone rather than 10 different ones. To make it even harder some systems add strange symbolic names like EST, which don't tell me much. E might indicate east, and T probably means Time. East of me is Sweden, so EST must be Eastern Swedish Time. Dan made life easier. IMHO applying such patches makes it harder again. If you like to display the time stamps in a local timezone, ask your MUA author to make the MUA do so. Or take a look at http://cr.yp.to/mess822.html Mads
But for Us European people EST stands for Eastern Summer Time and what is UTC and where is the time zone for that ? Regards Paul T -----Original Message----- From: Mads E Eilertsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 3:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Timezone On Thu, 20 Jan 2000, Walt Mankowski wrote: > But there's a patch available that will use your local timezone > instead. [...] Sure, but why tamper with qmail's approach? When tracking down delivery problems it's easier for humans and programs to read the Received:-lines when all time stamps are in the same timezone rather than 10 different ones. To make it even harder some systems add strange symbolic names like EST, which don't tell me much. E might indicate east, and T probably means Time. East of me is Sweden, so EST must be Eastern Swedish Time. Dan made life easier. IMHO applying such patches makes it harder again. If you like to display the time stamps in a local timezone, ask your MUA author to make the MUA do so. Or take a look at http://cr.yp.to/mess822.html Mads
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Thu, 20 Jan 2000, Paul Trippett wrote: > But for Us European people EST stands for Eastern Summer Time > and what is UTC and where is the time zone for that ? OIC, JIC, I use UTP at work at UPC which is in CET, ETC. I thought UTC was GMT... is that not correct? Scott -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBOIcwVB4PLs9vCOqdAQFUYgP+PZSGYFxaj8Sz07d9u1thqZe633+xnCQ+ 29kYOBv7bSBhudQZxdvGL3gztukrRC5MzuvDA4sr2eXefxMG7Eqjs4YDdX8SpFNJ NNTtV1AlNguEu5F9sxZi4ZQ91pFn/9vX8NjIb2HGRJsSLnCnCOdIITgHuQwFTgfC 2+K2g7jQYXc= =gBFf -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On 20 Jan 00, at 8:57, Scott D. Yelich wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > On Thu, 20 Jan 2000, Paul Trippett wrote: > > But for Us European people EST stands for Eastern Summer Time > > and what is UTC and where is the time zone for that ? > > OIC, JIC, I use UTP at work at UPC which is in CET, ETC. > > I thought UTC was GMT... is that not correct? Yes it is, the Royal Observatory Greenwich has more: http://www.rog.nmm.ac.uk/ "What time is it?" http://www.rog.nmm.ac.uk/leaflets/time/time.html HTH Wolfi
On Thu, Jan 20, 2000 at 08:57:08AM -0700, Scott D. Yelich wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > On Thu, 20 Jan 2000, Paul Trippett wrote: > > But for Us European people EST stands for Eastern Summer Time > > and what is UTC and where is the time zone for that ? > > OIC, JIC, I use UTP at work at UPC which is in CET, ETC. > > I thought UTC was GMT... is that not correct? I walk around http://physics.nist.gov/GenInt/Time/world.html might be instructive. Regards.
"Scott D. Yelich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I thought UTC was GMT... is that not correct? Ah, two of my favorite peeves...and so concisely combined. First, UTC is not GMT. There're close, but not the same. See various net resources, if you're piqued. Second, the phrase "is that not correct", and how to properly answer it. If it were a simple assertion followed by a simple question, e.g.: UTC is GMT, right? Since the assertion is false, the answer is clearly negative ("no" or "wrong"). Throwing the "not" before the assertion reverses it: UTC is GMT, not right? The assertion (UTC == GMT) is false, so the the answer to the question is affirmative ("yes" or "right"). But most people seem to use the "not" as syntactic sugar, not intending it to reverse the sense of the question, so in response to: I thought UTC was GMT... is that not correct? They want a negative if UTC <> GMT. E.g., a typical exchange: Bill: UTC is GMT, is it not? Joe: No, they're different. Joe can't just say "No", because it's unclear if he's interpreting the question grammatically, or anticipating that Bill really doesn't mean what he's saying. So my point is, unless you like reading silly analyses of grammatical constructs in the qmail list, you should be careful to express yourself unambiguously. -Dave
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Thu, 20 Jan 2000, Dave Sill wrote: > So my point is, unless you like reading silly analyses of grammatical > constructs in the qmail list, you should be careful to express > yourself unambiguously. -Dave Oh, puhleeze do teach me how to be a pedantic asshole! Do you get my meanin' ? Scott ps: I book marked the url on writing good code. I want to see how much if the rules qmail breaks. pps: example, good software should do the right thing if left to its own and should not do stupid things unless severly cornered. Take shi!tty windows. If you type an IP into the network box, and you type "831" .. a popup window instantly pops up and states that this is not a valid input. Of course, why doesn' the same system trigger on the second digit input and if its not 0, 1 or 2, simply procced to the next octet? To me, that's an example of shitty software not doing the right thing. ppps: I won't even go near all the blasted windows popups that steal your focus. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBOIdJfx4PLs9vCOqdAQHz8wP/YlsVA+5Fg3U+yuBp1Y55WE4hoI66kv2k thB5KKx2H4hEsDE5PMAPJaL5HtNwqpPjR4wiBIA5WQE+7r2wUo2sTD00oRqgbgll psiA8fc5Rdekx7a6rvDQEx0Psmxp1nkFBlvuc+n9xBcMRFiLb4wT4ViWBMQeK6Ek DGZUwjxF6vc= =u3tM -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
"Scott D. Yelich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Oh, puhleeze do teach me how to be a pedantic asshole! Looks like I'm halfway there already. >ps: I book marked the url on writing good code. I want to see >how much if the rules qmail breaks. The one Craig posted? It's pretty high-level; not like a checklist you can run through to declare code either "good" or "bad". qmail's record over its four year history is impressive. Compare the handful of actual bugs to the scores found in other MTA's like sendmail and even Postfix over the same time period. The code may get demerits for lack of documention or whatnot, but in fact, it's *extremely* solid code. >pps: example, good software should do the right thing if left >to its own and should not do stupid things unless severly >cornered. "right", "stupid"...hardly objective criteria. Both are determined by whomever is doing the evaluation. >Take shi!tty windows. If you type an IP >into the network box, and you type "831" .. a popup window >instantly pops up and states that this is not a valid >input. Of course, why doesn' the same system trigger on the >second digit input and if its not 0, 1 or 2, simply procced >to the next octet? To me, that's an example of shitty software >not doing the right thing. I don't follow the "second digit should be 0/1/2" bit, but I catch your drift. I think you're saying that if I enter a number > 255, the pop-up should assume I skipped a ".". But maybe I just fumble fingered and hit two keys at once. If the pop-up rearranges things into a valid (but wrong) IP address--and I don't notice that--I'm going to be plenty annoyed. >ppps: I won't even go near all the blasted windows popups that >steal your focus. OK. -Dave
Mark Delany writes: > I walk around http://physics.nist.gov/GenInt/Time/world.html > might be instructive. Instructive, yes, but it says nothing about TAI. TAI is simply a counting of seconds, without UTC being taken into account. TAI + leap seconds == UTC. Unix machines claim to run on UTC but really operate on TAI. -- -russ nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://russnelson.com Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | "Ask not what your country 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | can force other people to Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | do for you..." -Perry M.
Heh, great message about expressing yourself unambiguously. Now if only you could teach us (well, me ;-) how to do so *tersely*. ;-) tq vm, (burley)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Heh, great message about expressing yourself unambiguously. > > Now if only you could teach us (well, me ;-) how to do so > *tersely*. ;-) Easy. -- -russ nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://russnelson.com Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | "Ask not what your country 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | can force other people to Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | do for you..." -Perry M.
From: Russell Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 13:22:56 -0500 (EST) Mark Delany writes: > I walk around http://physics.nist.gov/GenInt/Time/world.html > might be instructive. Instructive, yes, but it says nothing about TAI. TAI is simply a counting of seconds, without UTC being taken into account. TAI + leap seconds == UTC. Unix machines claim to run on UTC but really operate on TAI. This is one of those statement which punches my personal pedant button. I believe that machines which follow POSIX run on a mixture. POSIX specifies an exact relationship between a time_t value and UTC. This relationship does not acknowledge leap seconds. Therefore, POSIX systems do not run on TAI. However, since UTC includes leap seconds, there are times which can be specified in UTC but which can not be specified in a time_t value. In other words, a POSIX time_t value will give you a UTC time, not a TAI time, by definition. But subtracting two POSIX time_t values will not give you the precise difference between two UTC times, because there may have been leap seconds in there which the time_t values do not include. Another way to think about it is to realize that when a UTC leap second occurs, POSIX systems then appear to be running one second fast, and their internal time gets adjusted. Ian
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Heh, great message about expressing yourself unambiguously. > >Now if only you could teach us (well, me ;-) how to do so >*tersely*. ;-) Simplify, but don't oversimplify. -Dave
On Thu, Jan 20, 2000 at 01:32:53PM -0500, Ian Lance Taylor wrote: > From: Russell Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 13:22:56 -0500 (EST) > > Mark Delany writes: > > I walk around http://physics.nist.gov/GenInt/Time/world.html > > might be instructive. > > Instructive, yes, but it says nothing about TAI. TAI is simply a > counting of seconds, without UTC being taken into account. TAI + leap > seconds == UTC. Unix machines claim to run on UTC but really operate > on TAI. > > This is one of those statement which punches my personal pedant > button. > > I believe that machines which follow POSIX run on a mixture. I wouldn't want to run any 100% POSIX-compliant OS. Why? POSIX says 2000 is not a leap year :) Greetz, Peter. -- Peter van Dijk - student/sysadmin/ircoper/madly in love/pretending coder | | 'C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; | C++ makes it harder, but when you do it blows your whole leg off.' | Bjarne Stroustrup, Inventor of C++
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 19:42:49 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why? POSIX says 2000 is not a leap year :) What makes you say that? POSIX is incorrect because it says that 2100 is a leap year (just in case you were worried that there wouldn't be a Y2.1K problem). POSIX does not say that 2000 is not a leap year. Here is the conversion rule that POSIX specifies: time_t == tm_sec + tm_min * 60 + tm_hour * 3600 + tm_yday * 86400 + (tm_year - 70) * 31536000 + ((tm_year - 69) / 4) * 86400 Ian
Ian Lance Taylor writes: > From: Russell Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 13:22:56 -0500 (EST) > > Mark Delany writes: > > I walk around http://physics.nist.gov/GenInt/Time/world.html > > might be instructive. > > Instructive, yes, but it says nothing about TAI. TAI is simply a > counting of seconds, without UTC being taken into account. TAI + leap > seconds == UTC. Unix machines claim to run on UTC but really operate > on TAI. > > This is one of those statement which punches my personal pedant > button. > > I believe that machines which follow POSIX run on a mixture. Me too. Didn't I just say that? Perhaps the most accurate way to say it is that the kernel naturally runs TAI, but it's sense of time it coerced into UTC by people or other software external to the kernel. -- -russ nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://russnelson.com Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | "Ask not what your country 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | can force other people to Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | do for you..." -Perry M.
On Thu, Jan 20, 2000 at 01:48:35PM -0500, Ian Lance Taylor wrote: > Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 19:42:49 +0100 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Why? POSIX says 2000 is not a leap year :) > > What makes you say that? I read something along those lines somewhere.. > POSIX is incorrect because it says that 2100 is a leap year (just in > case you were worried that there wouldn't be a Y2.1K problem). POSIX > does not say that 2000 is not a leap year. Ah.. then that was the problem :) > Here is the conversion rule that POSIX specifies: > > time_t == tm_sec + tm_min * 60 + tm_hour * 3600 + tm_yday * 86400 > + (tm_year - 70) * 31536000 + ((tm_year - 69) / 4) * 86400 Kewl. Greetz, Peter. -- Peter van Dijk - student/sysadmin/ircoper/madly in love/pretending coder | | 'C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; | C++ makes it harder, but when you do it blows your whole leg off.' | Bjarne Stroustrup, Inventor of C++
For those of you that have missed this. I asked a simple question about UTC and where it comes from and where now into POSIX not being Y2.1K Compliant, and there is also a variant about Negatives in Grammar. Don't you love it when this happens :) Regards, Paul Trippett -----Original Message----- From: Russell Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 6:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Timezone Ian Lance Taylor writes: > From: Russell Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 13:22:56 -0500 (EST) > > Mark Delany writes: > > I walk around http://physics.nist.gov/GenInt/Time/world.html > > might be instructive. > > Instructive, yes, but it says nothing about TAI. TAI is simply a > counting of seconds, without UTC being taken into account. TAI + leap > seconds == UTC. Unix machines claim to run on UTC but really operate > on TAI. > > This is one of those statement which punches my personal pedant > button. > > I believe that machines which follow POSIX run on a mixture. Me too. Didn't I just say that? Perhaps the most accurate way to say it is that the kernel naturally runs TAI, but it's sense of time it coerced into UTC by people or other software external to the kernel. -- -russ nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://russnelson.com Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | "Ask not what your country 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | can force other people to Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | do for you..." -Perry M.
On Thu, 20 Jan 2000, Russell Nelson wrote: > Mark Delany writes: > > I walk around http://physics.nist.gov/GenInt/Time/world.html > > might be instructive. > > Instructive, yes, but it says nothing about TAI. TAI is simply a > counting of seconds, without UTC being taken into account. TAI + leap > seconds == UTC. Unix machines claim to run on UTC but really operate > on TAI. That's in theory only. In practice, human factors cancel out the leap seconds correction, so machines really run on UTC. Otherwise, every time a leap second is declared, everyone should get a patch for localtime() from their vendor. -- Sam
On Thu, 20 Jan 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > time_t == tm_sec + tm_min * 60 + tm_hour * 3600 + tm_yday * 86400 > > + (tm_year - 70) * 31536000 + ((tm_year - 69) / 4) * 86400 > > Kewl. Lessee... We want to cancel out a day's worth of seconds starting in 2101 (2100 will be OK because tm_yday will still increase monotonously throughout the year)... ... - (tm_year + 299) / 400 * 86400 Someone with a 64bit box might want to check this out... -- Sam
On Thu, Jan 20, 2000 at 04:43:55PM +0100, Mads E Eilertsen wrote: > If you like to display the time stamps in a local timezone, ask your MUA > author to make the MUA do so. Or take a look at http://cr.yp.to/mess822.html That's a cool idea! Do you know of any MUA's that can do that? I was hoping mutt might be able to, but I couldn't find anything in the manual.
On Thu, 20 Jan 2000, Walt Mankowski wrote: > On Thu, Jan 20, 2000 at 04:43:55PM +0100, Mads E Eilertsen wrote: > > If you like to display the time stamps in a local timezone, ask your MUA > > author to make the MUA do so. Or take a look at http://cr.yp.to/mess822.html > > That's a cool idea! Do you know of any MUA's that can do that? I was > hoping mutt might be able to, but I couldn't find anything in the > manual. sqwebmail takes any RFC-822 compliant Date: header, and shifts it into the local timezone, before displaying it. An RFC-822 Date: header is easily translatable into a UTC time_t. Feed it to localtime(), and you're all set. -- Sam
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, why exactly does "forward" return a hard error when it finds no DTLINE in the environment? If forward is invoked from .qmail file, it probably means that qmail-local is mis-patched - then a temporary error is enough (admin notices and fixes, and the mail stays in queue meanwhile). If it's invoked by other means, the invoking app probably doesn't care if forward returns 100 or 111. excerpt from forward.c: > dtline = env_get("DTLINE"); > if (!dtline) > strerr_die2x(100,FATAL,"DTLINE not set"); -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.0.2 -- QDPGP 2.60 Comment: http://community.wow.net/grt/qdpgp.html iQA/AwUBOIcgq1MwP8g7qbw/EQKiUwCbBPlsjw9ydT5Watvji4p1t6F3tvsAn3nC 4jAXEU3KWltrT3LUNwAZgrXU =8ppH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Petr Novotny, ANTEK CS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.antek.cz PGP key ID: 0x3BA9BC3F -- Don't you know there ain't no devil there's just God when he's drunk. [Tom Waits]
Hi all Why could be the cause of the bounces "doesn't bounce"?; I mean: all the bounces goes directly to ~alias/Mailbox without notify to sender. (TEST.deliver #4 give me a "success", not a "__#5.1.1_/" error message. All the bounces goes with a "success" to ~alias/Mailbox .qmail-mailer-daemon is defined, etc Everything is working fine besides this point. I've another qmail installations without this problem; Thanks for any advice, regards --------------------------------------------------------------------- Abel Lucano E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aolsa
On Thu, Jan 20, 2000 at 11:07:18AM +0000, Abel Lucano wrote: Maybe you have a ~alias/.qmail-default. That traps mail for all unknown users. > Hi all > > Why could be the cause of the bounces "doesn't bounce"?; > I mean: all the bounces goes directly to ~alias/Mailbox without notify to > sender. (TEST.deliver #4 give me a "success", not a "__#5.1.1_/" error > message. > > All the bounces goes with a "success" to ~alias/Mailbox > > .qmail-mailer-daemon is defined, etc -- See complete headers for more info
On Thu, 20 Jan 2000, Anand Buddhdev wrote: > On Thu, Jan 20, 2000 at 11:07:18AM +0000, Abel Lucano wrote: > > Maybe you have a ~alias/.qmail-default. That traps mail for all unknown > users. > indeed! that's the answer; sorry! best regards --------------------------------------------------------------------- Abel Lucano E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aolsa
jay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Here's the deal. I set up vpopmail (or vchkpass, whatever >you want to call it) for pop mail. It keeps everything in >/home/vpopmail. But some of my users want to be able to >check their mail with pine if they need to, or be able to >download it if they need to. (like if they are on the road, >pine is more convenient) Users who need to log in and run pine or ftp aren't "virtual", they're real. Give them accounts in the system password file, and don't deliver their mail to vpopmail. -Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >I am using RH6.0 with qmail server! >All other thing is OK, but pop3 service? >I use Maildir format, I use maildirmake Maildir: >drwx------ 2 sting users 1024 Jan 20 21:18 cur >drwx------ 2 sting users 1024 Jan 21 00:21 new >drwx------ 2 sting users 1024 Jan 21 00:21 tmp What does the top level of the maildir look like? And all of the directories from / to ~sting? >-ERR this user has no $HOME/Maildir Misleading error message. Should say "unreadable $HOME/Maildir"--and I think the "$HOME/Maildir" part is hardcoded, so it's wrong if you're really using "Mail". >I use tcpserver, in qmail-pop3.init: > if [ -e $CDB ]; then > supervise $DIR \ > tcpserver $VERBOSE -c$CONCURRENT -x $CDB -u$USERID -g$GROUPID 0 $PORT \ > qmail-popup $HOST $CHKPASS $COMMAND Maildir \ > 2>&1 | setuser $LOGUSER accustamp \ > | setuser $LOGUSER cyclog $FILESIZE $FILENO $LOGDIR & > else > supervise $DIR \ > tcpserver $VERBOSE -c$CONCURRENT -u$USERID -g$GROUPID 0 $PORT \ > qmail-popup $HOST $CHKPASS $COMMAND Maildir \ > 2>&1 | setuser $LOGUSER accustamp \ > | setuser $LOGUSER cyclog $FILESIZE $FILENO $LOGDIR & > fi I could $VERB1 your $NOUN1, but you $VERB2 all the $NOUN2. What I can see looks OK, though. -Dave
Hi guys, as reported in QMAIL FAQ I tried to start qmail-pop3d from inetd and from tcpserver but when I try to read my mail telnetting port 110 I get the following error: >check for illegal characters : failed, POP username contains illegal characters infact le username and password passed to pop3d are: >action: parsing arguments > parsing arguments: POP username is'/var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d' > parsing arguments: POP password is 'Maildir' > `-ERR authorization failed I think something is wrong in my inetd.conf starup line: pop3 stream tcp nowait root /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup qmail-popup asterix.area.telital.com /bin/checkpassword /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Maildir or from tcpserver: tcpserver 0 pop3 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup asterix.area.telital.com /bin/checkpassword /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Maildir & I'm using SuSE Linux 6.2. Does anyone can help me? TIA Andrea Verni
This is the first time qmail is giving me a headache.... Mail sent to my qmail server from 1 person in norway get stuck somehow. I'm sending along one of the replys this person got from qmail. But as I get it the problem is "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Johansson=2C_G=F6ran?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]" that should go to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" gets interpreted as "Johansson" and qmail tries to deliver it to a local user called "Johansson". What can I do about this? /Regards Tony Gottfridsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Error reply from qmail: Hi. This is the qmail-send program at kurs. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. <Hildell@kurs>: Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. (#5.1.1) <Johansson@kurs>: Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. (#5.1.1) <Järnland@kurs>: Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. (#5.1.1) --- Below this line is a copy of the message. Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: (qmail 11975 invoked from network); 18 Jan 2000 10:07:03 -0000 Received: from ppp-212.125.161.225.sensewave.com (HELO oemcomputer) (212.125.161.225) by spektakel.sandviken.perceptive.se with SMTP; 18 Jan 2000 10:07:03 -0000 Message-ID: <00f301bf619b$7b55a9e0$e1a17dd4@oemcomputer> From: "Kjetil Barfelt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Johansson=2C_G=F6ran?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Hildell=2C_Bj=F6rn?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Austad, Paal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=E4rnland=2C_Hans?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: VECKORAPPORT - KAHR - v2/00 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 11:04:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00E5_01BF61A3.D1E0D700" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Dette er en flerdelt melding i MIME-format. ------=_NextPart_000_00E5_01BF61A3.D1E0D700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable --- snip ---
On Thu, 20 Jan 2000, Tony Gottfridsson wrote: > This is the first time qmail is giving me a headache.... > Mail sent to my qmail server from 1 person in norway get stuck somehow. I'm > sending along one of the replys this person got from qmail. But as I get it > the problem is "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Johansson=2C_G=F6ran?= > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]" that should go to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" Qmail does not generally read the headers to obtain the list of recipients. Let's see where the message came from: > Received: from ppp-212.125.161.225.sensewave.com (HELO oemcomputer) > (212.125.161.225) > by spektakel.sandviken.perceptive.se with SMTP; 18 Jan 2000 10:07:03 -0000 I assume that this is your relay. This means that the message arrived via SMTP, which means that the software running at that particular IP address is responsible for specifying the identity of the sender and the recipient. > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Complain to Microsoft, then. According to your information, their software is broken. -- Sam
On 15 Jan 2000, Russ Allbery wrote: RA>Russell Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: RA> RA>> Because every such installation I've ever seen has used NFS. I'm not RA>> talking about what's good, or what's right. I'm talking about what's RA>> possible to do tomorrow. Yes, it might be that a specialized mail RA>> transfer protocol would work better; convince Netapp to support it. RA> RA>Um, how do you think we're scaling our mail system right now? (And we RA>don't need Netapps to do it.) RA> RA>If it's a matter of making it work tomorrow, I can do it faster with a RA>farm of lighter-weight servers than with anything based on NFS. NFS is RA>the complicated and expensive solution. If people are currently all doing RA>it that way, it's either because they don't know better and are too used RA>to throwing NFS at a problem or it's because they're using the *other* RA>features of Netapps (snapshots, reliability, etc.) and therefore are stuck RA>having to use NFS whether they like it or not. To an extent, but keep in mind that the maildir/nfs solution is _simple_. Now, you can do things to make it more "robust" (read: complex) to add functionality, but if you want "simple and scalable", maildir and nfs is a clear winner. RA>Give me a bunch of machines with DiskSuite and a couple of internal disks RA>each any day. Ack. Veritas :-). (nothing wrong with disksuite until you start into 0+1 and the like..., IMHO) -- --Matt Schnierle --mgs at stargate dot net --Stargate Industries, LLC --#include <std/disclaimer.h> --"It's not that simple."
Hi, Sorry by lammer question, but I need setup my qmail to change the outgoing FROM field to another mail, I'm using a simple announce list with .qmail, I use this: # begin .qmail file |/usr/bin/grep '^From:.*@osite.net' || (/usr/local/tools/nopost.pl; exit 100) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... # end .qmail file This look if this sender is from my domain, if don't sent a error back (nopost.pl) or send msgs for all in list. Can you help me ? thanks, Gustavo Arjones
Dave Sill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > UTC is GMT, right? > > Since the assertion is false, the answer is clearly negative ("no" or > "wrong"). Throwing the "not" before the assertion reverses it: > > UTC is GMT, not right? You are being pedantic, are you not? Yes--and you're mistaken. This particular use of 'not' is purely idiomatic. (Indeed, many languages have an identical idiom. There is something linguistically significant going on here.) In English, ``Is that true?'' and ``Isn't that true?'' and ``Is that not true?'' all mean exactly the same thing: the opposite of ``Is that untrue?'' The 'not' in the latter two sentences is a particle of emphasis, not a negation. In other words, ``Is that true?'' carries no connotation concerning whether you think it is or is not true. But ``Isn't that true?'' carries the connotation that, though you are asking, you already believe it to be true. You are asking for confirmation, rather than information. A look at the original post will confirm that this exactly how Mr. Yelich was using the idiom. Len. PS We New Englanders use negatives in other contexts as particles of emphasis. For example, if you boast, ``I can build a Linux mail server in under an hour,'' I might reply, ``So can't my mother.'' (For non-New Englanders, the reply means, ``My mother also can, so what's the big deal?'' The idiom is most often used in the sentence, ``So can't anybody!'' The usage is sarcastic, and for that reason adults generally don't use it.)
"Len Budney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >You are being pedantic, are you not? Yes--and you're mistaken. I was clearly being pedantic. Next time I'll use a <pedantic> tag. >This particular use of 'not' is purely idiomatic. Just because a particular grammatical butchery is in wide use and fits the definition if "idiom" doesn't mean it's conducive to communication. >PS We New Englanders use negatives in other contexts as particles of >emphasis. For example, if you boast, ``I can build a Linux mail server >in under an hour,'' I might reply, ``So can't my mother.'' Which most of the English speaking world would interpret as "My mother can't do that", possibly with an implied "(but just about anyone else can)". This type of idiom leads to ambiguity, and is a barrier to communication--its only purpose is to be cute. -Dave
On Thu, Jan 20, 2000 at 02:23:54PM -0500, Dave Sill wrote: > "Len Budney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >You are being pedantic, are you not? Yes--and you're mistaken. > > I was clearly being pedantic. Next time I'll use a <pedantic> tag. > > >This particular use of 'not' is purely idiomatic. > > Just because a particular grammatical butchery is in wide use and fits > the definition if "idiom" doesn't mean it's conducive to > communication. Amen! > >PS We New Englanders use negatives in other contexts as particles of > >emphasis. For example, if you boast, ``I can build a Linux mail server > >in under an hour,'' I might reply, ``So can't my mother.'' I kinda like this one. It's not so ambiguous if you read the cinicism. > Which most of the English speaking world would interpret as "My mother > can't do that", possibly with an implied "(but just about anyone else > can)". This type of idiom leads to ambiguity, and is a barrier to > communication--its only purpose is to be cute. Correct. I wholeheartedly agree with you about the "isn't it" thing, although in English this thing is more widely accepted than in Dutch. I'm training my co-workers to understand me when I say 'no' to a negative question. They're fast learners :) Greetz, Peter. -- Peter van Dijk - student/sysadmin/ircoper/madly in love/pretending coder | | 'C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; | C++ makes it harder, but when you do it blows your whole leg off.' | Bjarne Stroustrup, Inventor of C++
Dave Sill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >For example, if you boast, ``I can build a Linux mail server in under > >an hour,'' I might reply, ``So can't my mother.'' > > Which most of the English speaking world would interpret as "My mother > can't do that", Perhaps. But who cares about ``most of the English speaking world'' when I am speaking with fellow New Englanders? > This type of idiom leads to ambiguity, and is a barrier to > communication--its only purpose is to be cute. Not. It's correct usage of the local dialect, and perfectly clear to its native speakers. In many contexts, standard American English is the correct dialect for clear communication. But that hardly makes it the best choice in every context. I've met speakers of many dialects who do not understand standard English. You're free to call them slack-jawed morons if you wish, and ignore them--but the best way to communicate with them is in their native dialect. As for ``That is true, isn't it?'' you are still wrong. The idiom is in fact good standard American English. So despite your logicians quibble, it causes no ambiguity--except for people who don't understand standard English. Len. PS My last post on this thread. We've abused the list charter enough.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Which most of the English speaking world would interpret as "My mother > can't do that", possibly with an implied "(but just about anyone else > can)". This type of idiom leads to ambiguity, and is a barrier to > communication--its only purpose is to be cute. -Dave Hogwash. I have spent the last ten years thinking about AI and learning how to learn (as it applies to language). Everything that I've come to understand says that much of the points made in this argument/discussion have been total crap. My father asked me if I wanted a baar. I said yes. He asked me if I wanted it out of the bottle. I said yes. He brought it to me in a glass. I was upset -- I wanted [to drink it] out of the bottle. I have many more examples of this. English is *very* ambiguous, but language in general is. We have to assume just to communicate on the most basic level and arguing about flavor only seems to take away from our humanism. This list has taught me new words, but it has not taught me anything new about how to communicate. One of my favorite new CDs is one that teaches me 51 spoken languages of the world. I have recntly had the pleasure of experiencing Swedish and now Dutch. Where are you parked? (What does this mean? How is a computer supposed to know this?) I have bitched in the past about qmail doing what I felt was stupid things -- but I have since come to expect this from qmail and the list. If you'd like to talk to me about any of this, please email me directly so we won't bore the rest of the list with things that will just be disagreement on anyway. Scott -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBOIdqER4PLs9vCOqdAQEQgQP9HPi7ZHOod2Uzh6Af2Yt/fzcVQOf7UCt0 DU8gxttHQsoCZ6JH4HYYoeG7pGDgH9jT57p94idHgsOwq+8rf1W4t+83lSlwBC5+ VoSHLtmi8jWuiKogn5BT5yfXZvQn/ffUQW6LikmYhtt1jq1cspiIXgKUrxvICc3X JlWfOA5q4kM= =RT+v -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Hi, What bit of code was that? My checpassword still seems to take user and pass form commandline, which results in: parsing arguments: POP username is '/var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d' parsing arguments: POP password is 'Maildir' I use tcpserver for pop3: tcpserver -v 0 pop3 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup maciek.gv.edu.pl \ /bin/checkpassword /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Maildir & What am I doing wrong? Andrzej On Wed, Sep 22, 1999 at 01:19:52PM +1200, Jim Gilliver wrote: > AAAARGH! > > Ok, my mistake... I missed a bit of code that needed commenting, and I can > now get debugging info. It is definitely checking the LDAP server > correctly, and it acknowledges that it can set its UID and GID to mine, > change to my $HOME/Mailbox directory correctly, so now it appears that > qmail-pop3d is the problem, claiming that "this user has no $HOME/Maildir". > I'm really going nuts over this, but I'll have to follow the pop3d code for > a while now... > > Sorry all, and thanks again to Jeffrey Skelton for his help.
Andrzej Szydlo wrote: > > Hi, > > What bit of code was that? > My checpassword still seems to take user and pass form commandline, which > results in: > > parsing arguments: POP username is '/var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d' > parsing arguments: POP password is 'Maildir' > > I use tcpserver for pop3: > > tcpserver -v 0 pop3 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup maciek.gv.edu.pl \ > /bin/checkpassword /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Maildir & > > What am I doing wrong? You compiled your checkpassword with debugging enabled. Turn it off, recompile and install again. -- Andre
Andre Oppermann wrote: > You compiled your checkpassword with debugging enabled. Turn it off, > recompile and install again. ok, now it should be ok. I'm using Qmail+LDAP and I can't understand how to create the correct $HOME/Maildir and set the permission for Maildir delivery. If I use /etc/passwd I should chown /home/<$USER> to ghe UID/GID of this user but if I use LDAP what kind of permission should I set ? TIA Andrea Verni
On Fri, Jan 21, 2000 at 10:02:27AM +0100, Andrea Verni wrote: > Andre Oppermann wrote: > > > You compiled your checkpassword with debugging enabled. Turn it off, > > recompile and install again. > > ok, now it should be ok. > > I'm using Qmail+LDAP and I can't understand how to create the correct > $HOME/Maildir and set the permission for Maildir delivery. > > If I use /etc/passwd I should chown /home/<$USER> to ghe UID/GID of this > user but if I use LDAP what kind of permission should I set ? Create a user for virtual users accounts, for example "popusers" belonging to a group "popgroup". Put "popusers" to the file ~control/ldapusername + + The default username used in virtual users environments + Default: NULL + Example: popusers + Note: Must be an existing username Put "popusers" user ID to the ~control/ldapuid + + The default UID used in virtual users environments + Default: NULL + Example: 1010 + Note: Must match the username, must be above 100 Put "popgroup" group ID to the ~control/ldapgid + + The default GID used in virtual users environments + Default: NULL + Example: 1010 + Note: Must match the username, must be above 100 If you want home and mail directories created automagically, put the name of a script to the file ~control/dirmaker + + Absolute path to your program/script that creates missing homedirs + Default: none (off) + Example: /var/qmail/bin/create_homedir + Note: the script is executeded after the setuid/gid, it isn't running + under root for security reasons. + The command is executed with execve not system + (so mkdir --mode=700 -p does not work!) use a shell script. + $1 is the homedir-path and $2 is aliasempty. + Possible very simple shell script: + + -cut- + #!/bin/sh + mkdir -m 700 -p $1 + #EOF + -cut- Create a directory for virtualusers mail, for example /var/qmail/popusers owned by the user "popusers". Set field mailMessageStore=/var/qmail/popusers/VirtUser.Name (replace VirtUser.Name) for every virtual user. + mailMessageStore + + Path to the maildir/mbox on the mail system + Example: /home/jdoe/ Hope this helps. Andrzej
What's the easiest way to set up an "anonymous" mailing list? What I mean is that the recipients do not know who the sender is. I want the "From:" header to be the name of the list, etc. -- Albert Hopkins Sr. Systems Specialist Dynacare, Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED]
echo "from" >> DIR/headerremove echo "From: Listname" >> DIR/headeradd ought to do it under ezmlm idx Matthew B. Henniges Axl.net Communications http://www.axl.net (203) 552-1714 > -----Original Message----- > From: Albert Hopkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 2:41 PM > To: Qmail Mailing List > Subject: anonymous mailing lists > > > > What's the easiest way to set up an "anonymous" mailing list? What I mean > is that the recipients do not know who the sender is. I want the "From:" > header to be the name of the list, etc. > > > -- > Albert Hopkins > Sr. Systems Specialist > Dynacare, Inc > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
On Thu, Jan 20, 2000 at 02:56:15PM -0500, Matthew B. Henniges wrote: > echo "from" >> DIR/headerremove > echo "From: Listname" >> DIR/headeradd > > ought to do it under ezmlm idx Better add sender, reply-to, return-path, return-receipt-to, and errors-to, and possibly message-id and received to headerremove. -- Bruce Guenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://em.ca/~bruceg/
I am having a problem with qmail sending the same messages to the same person 3 or more times. The messages are not all being sent at the same time and it does not happen to all the users. The logs show that it is the same from, to and the same message ID.. Could anyone give some thoughts feelings or concers with this. Mike Poulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 208-947-1753 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Hi List,
Sorry but I became a little lost here in following the gentle roasting and the only "reason" I found was one of those "if you don't already know why not - don't do it" variety which, since I do *not* "already know" causes me to raise the question.
Is there any valid technical reason for *not* applying John Saunder's patch to date822fmt.c which causes it to emit dates in the local timezone which I found on www.qmail.org?
TIA
-=dave=-
Dave Stites <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ><html> >Hi List,<br> ><br> Hi. <brr> It's cold here, too. >Sorry but I became a little lost here in following the gentle roasting >and the only "reason" I found was one of those "if you >don't already know why not - don't do it" variety which, since I do >*not* "already know" causes me to raise the question.<br> ><br> >Is there any valid technical reason for *not* applying John Saunder's ><font color="#0000FF"><u>patch to date822fmt.c</font></u> which causes it >to emit dates in the local timezone which I found on ><a href="http://www.qmail.org/" eudora="autourl">www.</a>qmail<a >href="http://www.qmail.org/" eudora="autourl">.org</a>?<br> 1. Since Received timestamps are generated by sites all over the world, one can either log the local time, which is convenient for people who happen to be in that time zone, but inconvenient for everyone else--or one can log a "universal" time, which is mildly inconvenient for most people, but which makes it much easier to track delivery times in received header fields of messages that traverse timezones. 2. Dan went to great lengths to avoid *ever* linking against the standard C runtime library. Converting to localtime requires doing so. Dan had good (security, obesity) reasons for avoiding libc. 3. This has nothing to do with timezones: HTML mail is annoying. -Dave
For the List, My apologies for inadvertently injecting HTML into this list. That will *not* happen again For Dave Sill, Thank you for your response. It is now perfectly clear that for me to install said patch would be very inadvisable. Also, THANK YOU, for "Life with qmail" which recently was invaluable to me! Warm Regards, -=dave=-
Reminder: I will be giving a two-day training session on qmail and BIND in Oslo on February 14 and 15. That's a little under a month now. I've decided to offer a 20% discount for three or more people billed to the same address, and a 10% discount for payment received prior to February 1. I'm going to cover dnscache on the second day. Hopefully Dan won't change it too much between now and then. :) -- -russ nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://russnelson.com Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | "Ask not what your country 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | can force other people to Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | do for you..." -Perry M.
Is it possible to use rblsmtpd to check more than one source at a time? For example, I'd like to set it up to consult all of the above services before accepting incoming mail. At the moment, I've got the following in inetd.conf: smtp stream tcp nowait qmaild /usr/sbin/tcpd \ /var/qmail/bin/tcp-env /usr/local/bin/rblsmtpd\ /var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd which only consults MAPS. Advice, please. -- Todd A. Jacobs Network Systems Engineer
On Thu, Jan 20, 2000 at 01:45:01PM -0800, Todd A. Jacobs wrote: > Is it possible to use rblsmtpd to check more than one source at a Yes: chain the rblsmtpd's together, eg: rblsmtpd rblsmtpd -rrelays.orbs.org rblsmtpd -rsome.other.site .... ... /var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd Alternatively, go to www.qmail.org, and get the patch from there which allows rblsmtpd to check multiple sites in parallel. -- See complete headers for more info
> john wrote: > > Hi, > > I am trying to create user account in qmail using qmailadmin and I am > unable to create a user for example f&b. > > Why does this have so much restriction ? Can I create it? > > Regards > John f&b is not a valid user name. I think. Ken Jones
Title: RE: Cannot creating user account with an & in qmailadmin
never used qmailadmin, just use the shell.....
to do this, create an alias like this :
useradd fb
passwd fb (set the passwd)
echo "&[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > "/var/qmail/alias/.qmail-f&b"get your user to check mail on fb account,
users can email f&[EMAIL PROTECTED]Cheers
--Stephen
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Sent: Friday, January 21, 2000 3:03 PM
To: john
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Subject: Re: Cannot creating user account with an & in qmailadmin
> john wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I am trying to create user account in qmail using qmailadmin and I am
> unable to create a user for example f&b.
>
> Why does this have so much restriction ? Can I create it?
>
> Regards
> Johnf&b is not a valid user name. I think.
Ken Jones
I've seen someone post a question like this but didnt get a decent answer. I am looking into hosting a mailservice that will handle around 1-3 million SMTP transactions per day. What kind of hardware do I need to manage that? I also wonder if there could be a change of the queue dir so it could be shared, as then any of the mailservers in the mailcluster can take the queued file and send it, and not only the one that recived it in the first place. Please advice Michael Boman -- W I Z O F F I C E . C O M P T E L T D - Your Online Wizard 16 Tannery Lane, Crystal Time Building, #06-00, Singapore 347778 Ring : (65) 844 3228 [ext 118] Fax : (65) 842 7228 email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL : http://www.wizoffice.com
I've seen someone post a question like this but didnt get a decent answer. I am looking into hosting a mailservice that will handle around 1-3 million SMTP transactions per day. What kind of hardware do I need to manage that? I also wonder if there could be a change of the queue dir so it could be shared, as then any of the mailservers in the mailcluster can take the queued file and send it, and not only the one that recived it in the first place. Please advice Michael Boman -- W I Z O F F I C E . C O M P T E L T D - Your Online Wizard 16 Tannery Lane, Crystal Time Building, #06-00, Singapore 347778 Ring : (65) 844 3228 [ext 118] Fax : (65) 842 7228 email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL : http://www.wizoffice.com
On Fri, Jan 21, 2000 at 12:36:15PM +0800, Michael Boman wrote: > I've seen someone post a question like this but didnt get a decent answer. > > I am looking into hosting a mailservice that will handle around 1-3 > million SMTP transactions per day. What kind of hardware do I need to > manage that? As always, it depends. Are these inbound or outbound transactions. Inbound and the concommitant local delivery is usually a lot harder on a system than outbound. I've seen a single Pentium class server with FreeBSD and 256M deliver around 1million outbound mails per day. I've also seen an inbound system that consisted of 2 front-end ultras delivering to a NetApp and that was needed for something trivial like 100K inbound per day. > I also wonder if there could be a change of the queue dir so it could > be shared, as then any of the mailservers in the mailcluster can take > the queued file and send it, and not only the one that recived it in > the first place. queues cannot be shared for at least two reasons. Firstly qmail-send et al assume they have a lock on the queue for their own purposes and secondly the structure of the queue is such that it cannot easily be shared across a network using, eg, NFS. You will need to have separate queues that are load-balanced in some way. There are also NVRAM disks to consider as potential queue disks with awesome performance, but I've not seen those used on qmail. Regards.
On Fri, Jan 21, 2000 at 12:36:15PM +0800, Michael Boman wrote: > I've seen someone post a question like this but didnt get a decent answer. > > I am looking into hosting a mailservice that will handle around 1-3 > million SMTP transactions per day. What kind of hardware do I need to > manage that? > > I also wonder if there could be a change of the queue dir so it could > be shared, as then any of the mailservers in the mailcluster can take > the queued file and send it, and not only the one that recived it in > the first place. To deliver 1 million local inbound deliveries: I'd reccommend buying 72GB of RAID 1+0 storage. Slice off 2GB for each incoming smtp server's /var/qmail/ partition. You have a choice of sharing all the mailboxes from 1 NFS server, or splitting the storage into multiple servers, handling a fraction of the user mailboxes. Deciding which was the topic of a recent discussion. To deliver 3 million outgoing messages, I'd buy the smallest RAID 1+0 configuration I could, probably 6 9GB drives + hot spare, which gets you 27GB of storage. Create 2GB of storage for each instance of qmail you're going to create (start with one; you put the /var/qmail/ partitions here). A couple of things to try: ReiserFS on the queue partition. More than one qmail instance. Increasing the Write-Back cache on the raid controller (64MB is pretty standard). John
Hi Folks, i have come across a big problem : my virtualdomains file : schock-bad.de:schockbad burgbad-service.de:schockbad Well, when i send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] , qmail rewrites the header to : Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] it should be : Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] All mail for schock-bad.de and burgbad-service.de should be collected within only one maildir, because schock-bad.de uses a windows-nt mailserver that can only retrieve mail from ONE pop3 ! How can i "tell" qmail not to rewrite the header ? Thanks for your help, Thomas PS : I'm looking forward to the qmail-book :-)
On Fri, Jan 21, 2000 at 09:08:33AM +0100, Puck wrote: > Hi Folks, > > i have come across a big problem : > > my virtualdomains file : > > schock-bad.de:schockbad > burgbad-service.de:schockbad > > Well, when i send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] , qmail rewrites the header to : > > Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > it should be : > > Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Says who? The virtualdomains entry for burgbad-service.de tells qmail to deliver the mail locally to schockbad-info, and that's what you see in the Delivered-To header. > All mail for schock-bad.de and burgbad-service.de should be collected within only > one maildir, because schock-bad.de uses a windows-nt mailserver that can only > retrieve mail from ONE pop3 ! And so it will be delivered into one Maildir, if you have an empty ~schockbad/.qmail-default. > How can i "tell" qmail not to rewrite the header ? It doesn't rewrite it--it adds it. How is its presence hurting you? Chris
Hi, I do the almost the same thing that I think you want to do, deliver all mail received to a certain pop mailbox on a different server. in virtual domains I have domain.com:domainalias and in my .qmail-domainnalias-default I have the line | forward ${DEFAULT}@subdomain.ISP.com And this works fine when there exchange server picks up there email from the pop3 account and delivers it to the right users. By sending new email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] the above causes the 'Deliver To:' field to be changed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hope this helps a bit Paul Trippett
At 09:08 21.1.2000 +0100, you wrote: > >Hi Folks, > >i have come across a big problem : > >my virtualdomains file : > >schock-bad.de:schockbad >burgbad-service.de:schockbad > >Well, when i send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] , qmail rewrites the header to : > >Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >it should be : > >Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >All mail for schock-bad.de and burgbad-service.de should be collected within only >one maildir, because schock-bad.de uses a windows-nt mailserver that can only >retrieve mail from ONE pop3 ! > >How can i "tell" qmail not to rewrite the header ? > >Thanks for your help, > Thomas > >PS : I'm looking forward to the qmail-book :-) > > Hello, A: Three steps: 1. Create /var/qmail/control/virutaldomains: schock-bad.de:schockbad burgbad-service.de:schockbad 2. Create a local UNIX Account "schockbad". (a) Log in as "schockbad" and create "Mailbox" or "Maildir" (depending on you QMAIL setup) eg: maildirmake $HOME/Maildir ; echo ./Maildir/ > ~/.qmail eg: touch Mailbox ; echo ./Mailbox > ~/.qmail (b) Edit file .qmail-default # /home/shockbad/.qmail-default |forward [EMAIL PROTECTED] (matches your sample) -- or -- |forward "$EXT"@schock-bad.de (matches your wishes) 3. Stop QMAIL and restart (changes become activ). If you have a file /var/qmail/alias/.qmail-shock... delete it ! I'm not sure, whether you use POP3 to grep the mail from your QMAIL MTA or not. By the mechanisms shown above QMAIL does a SMTP delever to the NT-Server. Check the MX-Records for the NT-Server and your file /var/qmail/control/smtproutes. That's it! eh. +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | fff hh Dr. Erwin Hoffmann | | ff hh | | ff eee hhhh ccc ooo mm mm mm Wiener Weg 8 | | fff ee ee hh hh cc oo oo mmm mm mm 50858 Koeln | | ff ee eee hh hh cc oo oo mm mm mm | | ff eee hh hh cc oo oo mm mm mm Tel 0221 484 4923 | | ff eeee hh hh ccc ooo mm mm mm Fax 0221 484 4924 | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+
Hi ! >>my virtualdomains file : >> >>schock-bad.de:schockbad >>burgbad-service.de:schockbad >> >>Well, when i send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] , qmail rewrites the > header to : >> >>Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>it should be : >> >>Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >>All mail for schock-bad.de and burgbad-service.de should be collected > within only >>one maildir, because schock-bad.de uses a windows-nt mailserver that can only >>retrieve mail from ONE pop3 ! >> >>How can i "tell" qmail not to rewrite the header ? > Hello, > A: Three steps: > 1. Create /var/qmail/control/virutaldomains: > schock-bad.de:schockbad > burgbad-service.de:schockbad > 2. Create a local UNIX Account "schockbad". > (a) Log in as "schockbad" and > create "Mailbox" or "Maildir" (depending on you QMAIL setup) > eg: maildirmake $HOME/Maildir ; echo ./Maildir/ > ~/.qmail > eg: touch Mailbox ; echo ./Mailbox > ~/.qmail > (b) Edit file .qmail-default > # /home/shockbad/.qmail-default > |forward [EMAIL PROTECTED] (matches your sample) -- or -- > |forward "$EXT"@schock-bad.de (matches your wishes) > 3. Stop QMAIL and restart (changes become activ). > If you have a file /var/qmail/alias/.qmail-shock... delete it ! > I'm not sure, whether you use POP3 to grep the mail from your QMAIL MTA or > not. > By the mechanisms shown above QMAIL does a SMTP delever to the NT-Server. > Check the MX-Records for the NT-Server and your file > /var/qmail/control/smtproutes. You missunderstood me ! I have a qmail server which runs schock-bad.de for around 5 months now. Now, there is one more domain burgbad-service.de whose mail should also be deleivered to the schock-bad maildir, keeping the original reciever ! -> delivered-to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] at the moment, qmail does the following : delivered-to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ^^^^^^^^^ this should be burgbad-service, not schockbad ! I think it's because i deliver mail for both domains into one maildir, which is owned by schock-bad ! burgbad-service has no own maildir or user, because it must be delivered to schock-bad without changing headers ! Thanks, Thomas
hi, all. i just installed qmail1.03 on my rh6.1. but now i got a problem. my client who running with a window98 and outlook express can't use pop3 to get his mail from rh6.1. he could send mail by smtp but very slow( it took about 2 minute to send a 100 bytes mail). could any one give me some advices? thanks! chan
I'm trying relay-ctrl 1.2 : it nearly works, but I have a little problem : when a user log himself via pop3, the ip comes in /var/control/relay-control, but /usr/sbin/relay-ctrl-age is _not_ executed. I'm wondering why... maybe you will have an idea ? It worked with the version 1.1. Qmail init : ------------ /usr/local/bin/tcpserver -v -u 1001 -g 101 -x/etc/tcp.smtp.cdb -c 100 0 smtp /var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd \ 2>&1 | /var/qmail/bin/splogger smtpd 3 & /usr/local/bin/tcpserver -v 0 pop3 /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup domain.mydomain.ch \ /usr/local/bin/checkvpw /usr/sbin/relay-ctrl-allow /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Maildir \ 2>&1 | /var/qmail/bin/splogger popupd 3 & relay-ctrl-1.2/defines.h ------------------------ #define AGE_MINUTES 15 #define BUFSIZE 4096 #define RULESDIR "/etc" #define SPOOLDIR "/var/qmail/relay-ctrl" #define AGE_CMD "/usr/sbin/relay-ctrl-age" #define TCPRULES "/usr/local/bin/tcprules" #define SMTPRULES "tcp.smtp" #define SMTPCDB "tcp.smtp.cdb" #define SMTPFIXUP "smtp.fixup" directory /var/qmail/relay-ctrl exists, and /etc/tcp.smtp and tcp.smtp.cdb also. /usr/local/bin/tcprules is also working allright. If you have a relay-ctrl 1.2 running somewhere, I'd be happy to look at you scripts! Thanks for any hint! Olivier
