ok to answer the numerous questions: My isp is Time-Warner (roadrunner), they block incoming only. I am assuming this is to avoid the problems that @home has(had) with open mail relays and spamming, though i could be wrong. Yes, they do offer to open it for an additional cost. Unfortunately, for the same service i recieve now, it is almost 20 times more. Sorry, but that is too rich for my blood. This isn't for business, it is only for educational purposes. I do my own DNS through dhs.org, so I dont have to deal with my isp for that. the outside box , would be a friend doing me a favor so i thought a relay to a different port would be the most unobtrusive.(minimal resources used) I would then set his machine as my MX record in my DNS. And automagically i would begin being able to send and recieve mail. After reading several documents on relaying, i never saw anything about relaying to another port. So i wondered if it was possible to do with QMail. On the same note, is their anything special that needs to be done to QMail for it to listen on a non-standard port. (besides changing /etc/services) anyways. i hope that clears it up a bit. as far my AUP, well like i said, i am only doing this so I can learn. 15 or 20 emails, consisting of "this is a test", shouldn't offend them too much. thanks Brian