I'm trying to understand the recommendation of INSTALL.ids, which corresponds to the following line from qmail-1.03/CHANGES: 19961117 change: qmail-start sets logger gid to GID_NOFILES. Shouldn't the gid be named something like logfiles (GID_LOGFILES)? I don't understand the point of creating a special nofiles gid which is then used as the gid for some number of files. [I know that other parts of the system can be probably be relied on to give such files x44 permissions, but the group name seems to imply something different.] Anyone know? Thanks, -- Raul