qmail Digest 23 Dec 2000 11:00:01 -0000 Issue 1222 Topics (messages 54345 through 54372): qmail-pop3d HOWTO?: Multiple Virtual domains with one daemon? 54345 by: Chad W Hinton 54348 by: Charles Cazabon Alias problem with "-" before "." 54346 by: oliver bender 54350 by: Charles Cazabon 54352 by: Uwe Ohse tcpserver (ucspi 0.84) and status 256? 54347 by: Matthew Harrell 54351 by: Charles Cazabon 54353 by: Matthew Harrell Re: Qmail local question 54349 by: Tim Hunter Re: Virtual Domain equivalent problem 54354 by: Dave Sill Re: Source RPM 54355 by: Mate Wierdl Abnormal Hard Disk Activity 54356 by: Daniel Conlon 54357 by: Peter Samuel 54358 by: Charles Cazabon 54359 by: Peter Samuel 54360 by: Daniel Conlon 54361 by: Peter Samuel 54363 by: Peter Samuel 54364 by: Peter Samuel 54368 by: Grant 54369 by: Mark Delany rbldns service 54362 by: Mate Wierdl Re: Problem when starting qmail. 54365 by: Henning Brauer 54367 by: Henning Brauer Re: qmail Clustering 54366 by: Henning Brauer request to prefix subject header. 54370 by: Dennis 54371 by: Jerry Lynde newbie question. please recommend solution 54372 by: sridhar.coolmail.net Administrivia: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To bug my human owner, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To post to the list, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is it possible to configure a single qmail-pop3d daemon to service multiple virtual domains? I have attempted to RTFM and have not found anything that says that I can/cannot specifically do this. I currently use the following to start it: /usr/local/bin/tcpserver -v -R -H 0 pop3 \ /var/qmail/bin/qmail-popup mail.somedomain.com \ /usr/local/bin/checkvpw \ /usr/sbin/relay-ctrl-allow \ /var/qmail/bin/qmail-pop3d Maildir 2>&1 | \ /var/qmail/bin/splogger pop3d & I am testing linux/qmail/qmail-pop3d/vmailmgr/omail-webadmin as a replacement for my current winnt/mailmax configuration. Thanks Chad Hinton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Chad W Hinton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is it possible to configure a single qmail-pop3d daemon to service > multiple virtual domains? I have attempted to RTFM and have not found > anything that says that I can/cannot specifically do this. qmail-pop3d doesn't really care about these issues; it's your checkpassword implementation that needs to. The standard checkpassword only verifies against regular system accounts, but there are many alternative checkpassword implementations to support what you want to do, and more. In fact, there's a whole section of the page at www.qmail.org which is dedicated to checkpassword versions. Charles -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Charles Cazabon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> GPL'ed software available at: http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/ Any opinions expressed are just that -- my opinions. -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hi all, hm, a strange subject, isn't it? So let me explain, what I mean: I tried to create an alias file for a user i.e. John-Paul Doe. I named that file .qmail-john-paul:doe I found out, that mails to such a user will be returned to sender with an undeliverable notice, stating this user to be unknown on my mailserver. Changing the alias to .qmail-john=paul:doe will not work either. I don't want this user to be addressed as johnpaul.doe or john.paul.doe. I know, there is no problem to create an alias like john.doe-smith by naming the file .qmail-john:doe-smith, but: Is there any chance to get the "-" sign into the mailaddress before any "."? Thanks for your help and Merry Christmas to you all! Kind regards oliver bender system administrator morphochem AG Munich, Germany [EMAIL PROTECTED]
oliver bender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I tried to create an alias file for a user i.e. John-Paul Doe. I named that > file .qmail-john-paul:doe I found out, that mails to such a user will be > returned to sender with an undeliverable notice, stating this user to be > unknown on my mailserver. What was the envelope recipient? What _exactly_ was the bounce message? You didn't specify either, leaving us to guess. With the .qmail file above, I would expect you tested sending to "john-paul.doe@yourdomain", but I've learned not to assume much on this list. Also, show us the log entries for this attempted/failed delivery. What is the system account name for this user? Charles -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Charles Cazabon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> GPL'ed software available at: http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/ Any opinions expressed are just that -- my opinions. -----------------------------------------------------------------------
On Fri, Dec 22, 2000 at 03:13:19PM +0100, oliver bender wrote: > hm, a strange subject, isn't it? So let me explain, what I mean: > I tried to create an alias file for a user i.e. John-Paul Doe. I named that > file .qmail-john-paul:doe I found out, that mails to such a user will be is there a user john on the system? If yes then the john-paul.doe ist controlled by ~john/.qmail-paul:doe. > returned to sender with an undeliverable notice, stating this user to be > unknown on my mailserver. Changing the alias to .qmail-john=paul:doe will you forgot to provide necessary information, especially log entries and the error messages. Regards, Uwe
Hi, I'm getting log messages like tcpserver: pid 2760 from 209.226.175.25 tcpserver: ok 2760 alecto.bittwiddlers.com:24.7.169.75:25 tomts5.bellnexxia.net:209.226.175.25::61492 tcpserver: end 2760 status 256 tcpserver: status: 0/40 where tcpserver gives me a status of 256 instead of the usual status 0. Where can I find a listing of the status codes since I don't see one on the web page? Thanks - also I know there is a later version of the ucspi tools but since they don't look like drop-in replacements I just haven't had time to fix the scripts yet. -- Matthew Harrell Never raise your hand to your Bit Twiddlers, Inc. children - it leaves your [EMAIL PROTECTED] midsection unprotected.
Matthew Harrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, I'm getting log messages like [...] > where tcpserver gives me a status of 256 instead of the usual status 0. > Where can I find a listing of the status codes since I don't see one on the > web page? You didn't even say what you were running from tcpserver. However, since it looks like qmail-smtpd, this is probably a broken MTA connecting to you and sending bare linefeeds. This is in all the FAQs, and in the mailing list archives. Search for "bare lf". Charles -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Charles Cazabon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> GPL'ed software available at: http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/ Any opinions expressed are just that -- my opinions. -----------------------------------------------------------------------
: : You didn't even say what you were running from tcpserver. However, since it : looks like qmail-smtpd, this is probably a broken MTA connecting to you and : sending bare linefeeds. This is in all the FAQs, and in the mailing list : archives. Search for "bare lf". : Well, since I showed it connecting to port 25 I didn't think it mattered what was running to receive the port 25 connections since it looked like tcpserver was the one rejecting the connection. Hmm, thanks for the info on bare linefeeds. Interesting. I didn't see that in the FAQ I have but I was actually looking for the 256 error code so I might have missed it. That's good to know since I was thinking I had broken something that was causing this machine to be unable to connect. -- Matthew Harrell If at first you don't succeed, Bit Twiddlers, Inc. try management. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This is a better question for the vpopmail list [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: eddy [mailto:eddy]On Behalf Of Eddy Fafard Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 6:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Qmail local question Qmail with Vpopmail We are currently transitining from Sendmail to Qmail for our main mail server. So we have some users on this new server, and the rest on the old server. Our relays point to the old server and aliases directs qmail users mail to the Qmail server. Problem is: when Qmail users send mail to users on the old servers it trys to deliver it locally and when the user and dumps it in postmaster mailbox. All worked fine as of yesterday but now it does not work. The domain is not in /var/qmail/locals and my mx records look fine. Any ideas ? Here is the error from the maillog, user is not in the qmail server but try to delive it anyway .. Dec 21 15:14:52 mail-1 qmail: 977440492.682140 starting delivery 6: msg 3244038 to local [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dec 21 15:14:52 mail-1 qmail: 977440492.682279 status: local 1/10 remote 0/20 Dec 21 15:14:52 mail-1 tcpserver: 977440492.699820 tcpserver: end 1892 status 0 Dec 21 15:14:52 mail-1 tcpserver: 977440492.700093 tcpserver: status: 0/20 Dec 21 15:14:52 mail-1 qmail: 977440492.700794 delivery 6: success: POP_user_does_not_exist,_but_will_deliver_to_/var/vpopmail/domains/iescrow.c om/postmaster/
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This is a very confusing thing I am trying to accomplish, but for >reasons outside of my control it must be done. I have a main domain name >of company..com in locals. I have a company.fi:alias-companyfi line in >virtualdomains. The alias file looks like this: > >| forward ${DEFAULT}@company.com > > All mail coming to company.fi should be a full equivalent to all >[EMAIL PROTECTED] addresses and mailalternateaddress in the ldap entries. If company.fi and company.com are identical in every way, just list company.fi in control/locals and forget about the virtualdomains stuff. The whole point of virtual domains is to *separate* the namespaces, which is the opposite of what you're trying to do. -Dave
There is even a binary rpm at ftp://moni.msci.memphis.edu/pub/qmail Mate
Dear All, I have had qmail installed on a machine with < 100 users for 6 months and all aspects of the installation are working correctly. However, it has recently been brought to my attention that the hard disk activity on the machine is excessive/abnormal - the disk is flat out. By systematically stopping processes I have established that it is qmail which is causing this. qmail is not under any load to speak of. Is this normal for qmail? If not, what could be causing this? Many thanks, Daniel Conlon
On Fri, 22 Dec 2000, Daniel Conlon wrote: > Dear All, > > I have had qmail installed on a machine with < 100 users for 6 months and all >aspects of the installation are working correctly. However, it has recently been >brought to my attention that the hard disk activity on the machine is >excessive/abnormal - the disk is flat out. > > By systematically stopping processes I have established that it is qmail which is >causing this. qmail is not under any load to speak of. > > Is this normal for qmail? If not, what could be causing this? Is it qmail-send or qmail-smtpd that is causing it? What do the logs say? (tm) What's the output of /var/qmail/bin/qmail-qstat run serveral times to see if the queue is growing rapidly? -- Regards Peter ---------- Peter Samuel [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.e-smith.org (development) http://www.e-smith.com (corporate) Phone: +1 613 368 4398 Fax: +1 613 564 7739 e-smith, inc. 1500-150 Metcalfe St, Ottawa, ON K2P 1P1 Canada "If you kill all your unhappy customers, you'll only have happy ones left"
Daniel Conlon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > However, it has recently been brought to my attention that the hard disk > activity on the machine is excessive/abnormal - the disk is flat out. By > systematically stopping processes I have established that it is qmail which > is causing this. qmail is not under any load to speak of. Is this normal for > qmail? It can be. Queue disk bandwidth is one of the first things that a largish qmail system typically runs out of. There are various things that can help with this; moving the queue to a separate disk (or even separate controller) can help. What logging setup are you using? What else is on the disk which contains the queue? What partition are you logging to? Charles -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Charles Cazabon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> GPL'ed software available at: http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/ Any opinions expressed are just that -- my opinions. -----------------------------------------------------------------------
On Fri, 22 Dec 2000, Daniel Conlon wrote: > > > I have had qmail installed on a machine with < 100 users for 6 > > months and all aspects of the installation are working correctly. > > However, it has recently been brought to my attention that the > > hard disk activity on the machine is excessive/abnormal - the > > disk is flat out. > > > > > > By systematically stopping processes I have established that it > > is qmail which is causing this. qmail is not under any load to speak of. > > > > > > Is this normal for qmail? If not, what could be causing this? > > > > Is it qmail-send or qmail-smtpd that is causing it? > Please reply to the list too. That way you'll get more eyes looking at your problem. Also please wrap your lines to < 80 characters. It makes it easier to read. > I think it is qmail-smtpd. I say this only because 'supervise qmail-smtpd' is being >quite heavy on CPU usage (18%). How would I find out for sure? Looks like supervise is failing to start tcpserver correctly and looping. What does /service/qmail-smtpd/run (or wherever you put it) look like? Are you logging with multilog? If so what's the output of the current file in the directory as specified by /service/qmail-smtpd/log/run? You aren't trying to suerpvise qmail-smtpd directly are you? If so then that will fail. You need some process in front of qmail-smtpd to handle the network connections - such as tcpserver. > > > What do the logs say? (tm) > Which logs? and where would I find them? > > > What's the output of /var/qmail/bin/qmail-qstat run several times to > > see if the queue is growing rapidly? > > I ran this ten times in succession and got the same output each time as follows: > > messages in queue: 9 > messages in queue but not yet preprocessed: 0 Nothing new is being added to the queue - or qmail-send is processing messages EXACTLY as fast as qmail-queue is putting them in the queue (unlikely). -- Regards Peter ---------- Peter Samuel [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.e-smith.org (development) http://www.e-smith.com (corporate) Phone: +1 613 368 4398 Fax: +1 613 564 7739 e-smith, inc. 1500-150 Metcalfe St, Ottawa, ON K2P 1P1 Canada "If you kill all your unhappy customers, you'll only have happy ones left"
> On Fri, 22 Dec 2000, Daniel Conlon wrote: > > > > > I have had qmail installed on a machine with < 100 users for 6 > > > months and all aspects of the installation are working correctly. > > > However, it has recently been brought to my attention that the > > > hard disk activity on the machine is excessive/abnormal - the > > > disk is flat out. > > > > > > > > By systematically stopping processes I have established that it > > > is qmail which is causing this. qmail is not under any load > to speak of. > > > > > > > > Is this normal for qmail? If not, what could be causing this? > > > > > > Is it qmail-send or qmail-smtpd that is causing it? > > > > Please reply to the list too. That way you'll get more eyes looking at > your problem. Sorry, thought I did. > Also please wrap your lines to < 80 characters. It makes it easier to > read. I have this set to 76 characters in Outlook. Is it not working? > > > I think it is qmail-smtpd. I say this only because 'supervise > qmail-smtpd' is being quite heavy on CPU usage (18%). How would I > find out for sure? > > Looks like supervise is failing to start tcpserver correctly and > looping. What does /service/qmail-smtpd/run (or wherever you put it) > look like? #!/bin/sh QMAILDUID=`id -u qmaild` NOFILESGID=`id -g qmaild` exec /usr/local/bin/softlimit -m 2000000 \ /usr/local/bin/tcpserver -v -p -x /etc/tcp.smtp.cdb \ -u $QMAILUID -g $NOFILESGID 0 smtp /var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd 2>&1 Are you logging with multilog? If so what's the output of > the current file in the directory as specified by > /service/qmail-smtpd/log/run? Yes, multilog. The output mainly consists: @400000003a438b480b0ca6c4 tcpserver: fatal: no IP address for 1003 Looks like maybe I am passing it a GID where there should be something else? (1003 is the GID of qmaild)
On Fri, 22 Dec 2000, Daniel Conlon wrote: > > > > Please reply to the list too. That way you'll get more eyes looking at > > your problem. > > Sorry, thought I did. This time yes, last time, no :) > > > Also please wrap your lines to < 80 characters. It makes it easier to > > read. > > I have this set to 76 characters in Outlook. Is it not working? Nope. > > > > > > I think it is qmail-smtpd. I say this only because 'supervise > > qmail-smtpd' is being quite heavy on CPU usage (18%). How would I > > find out for sure? > > > > Looks like supervise is failing to start tcpserver correctly and > > looping. What does /service/qmail-smtpd/run (or wherever you put it) > > look like? > > #!/bin/sh > QMAILDUID=`id -u qmaild` > NOFILESGID=`id -g qmaild` > exec /usr/local/bin/softlimit -m 2000000 \ > /usr/local/bin/tcpserver -v -p -x /etc/tcp.smtp.cdb \ > -u $QMAILUID -g $NOFILESGID 0 smtp /var/qmail/bin/qmail-smtpd 2>&1 You have misspelled QMAILDUID. You forgot the D between L and U. -- Regards Peter ---------- Peter Samuel [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.e-smith.org (development) http://www.e-smith.com (corporate) Phone: +1 613 368 4398 Fax: +1 613 564 7739 e-smith, inc. 1500-150 Metcalfe St, Ottawa, ON K2P 1P1 Canada "If you kill all your unhappy customers, you'll only have happy ones left"
On Fri, 22 Dec 2000, Daniel Conlon wrote: > > You have misspelled QMAILDUID. You forgot the D between L and U. > > So I did. I have corrected this and restarted qmail but 'supervise qmail-smtpd' is >still consuming lots of CPU and hard disk is still flat out. > > Thanks once again for your assistance. And the multilog output is? ..... If you don't give us information, we can't do much to help you :) -- Regards Peter ---------- Peter Samuel [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.e-smith.org (development) http://www.e-smith.com (corporate) Phone: +1 613 368 4398 Fax: +1 613 564 7739 e-smith, inc. 1500-150 Metcalfe St, Ottawa, ON K2P 1P1 Canada "If you kill all your unhappy customers, you'll only have happy ones left"
On Fri, 22 Dec 2000, Daniel Conlon wrote: > > > > And the multilog output is? ..... If you don't give us information, we > > can't do much to help you :) > > Sorry about that, as I say I am a relative novice, I will get the hang of it soon :-) > > Log output is: > > @400000003a43932e2ba12e8c tcpserver: fatal: unable to bind: address already use Something is already listening to port 25. Find that process and kill it. If you're running linux, this might help: netstat -anp | grep -w 25 or if you have lsof lsof -i :25 -- Regards Peter ---------- Peter Samuel [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.e-smith.org (development) http://www.e-smith.com (corporate) Phone: +1 613 368 4398 Fax: +1 613 564 7739 e-smith, inc. 1500-150 Metcalfe St, Ottawa, ON K2P 1P1 Canada "If you kill all your unhappy customers, you'll only have happy ones left"
I've had this problem. When a user zipped up 100+ MB of mp3's and was trying to send the attachment to a university 10 MB quoted shell. As it was trying to resend often it would need to open the file to read it, that created lots of hard drive activity. I would suggest checking your queue or logs for any messages that aren't sending. On Fri, 22 Dec 2000, Peter Samuel wrote: > On Fri, 22 Dec 2000, Daniel Conlon wrote: > > > Dear All, > > > > I have had qmail installed on a machine with < 100 users for 6 months and all >aspects of the installation are working correctly. However, it has recently been >brought to my attention that the hard disk activity on the machine is >excessive/abnormal - the disk is flat out. > > > > By systematically stopping processes I have established that it is qmail which is >causing this. qmail is not under any load to speak of. > > > > Is this normal for qmail? If not, what could be causing this? > > Is it qmail-send or qmail-smtpd that is causing it? > > What do the logs say? (tm) > > What's the output of /var/qmail/bin/qmail-qstat run serveral times to > see if the queue is growing rapidly? > >
On Sat, Dec 23, 2000 at 08:54:51AM +1000, Grant wrote: > I've had this problem. When a user zipped up 100+ MB of mp3's and was > trying to send the attachment to a university 10 MB quoted shell. As it > was trying to resend often it would need to open the file to read it, that > created lots of hard drive activity. I find that hard to believe. The open cost of a file is not a function of its size. Leastwise not on any Unix I've ever heard of. As others have said, let's see the logs rather than speculate. Regards.
Sorry to use this list, but this is the quickest way to do the following notification: There might be some disruption of the rbldns service of relays.msci.memphis.edu due to some repair work done by our university between Dec 22, 4:30PM US Central, and Dec 30. Administration promised that disruption will not happen, but I am not holding my breath. So please watch your rblsmtpd. Mate -- --- Mate Wierdl | Dept. of Math. Sciences | University of Memphis
Am Donnerstag, 21. Dezember 2000 01:21 schrieb Grant: > [root@sphinx qmail]# /etc/rc.d/init.d/qmail start > Starting qmail: svscan. > [root@sphinx qmail]# multilog: fatal: unable to switch to current > directory: access denied > > I've followed Dave Sill's qmail installation manual. You didn't. And the error message is _very_ clear. -- Henning Brauer | BS Web Services Hostmaster BSWS | Roedingsmarkt 14 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 20459 Hamburg www.bsws.de | Germany
Am Donnerstag, 21. Dezember 2000 15:24 schrieb Charles Cazabon: > Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [root@sphinx qmail]# /etc/rc.d/init.d/qmail start > > Starting qmail: svscan. > > [root@sphinx qmail]# multilog: fatal: unable to switch to current > > directory: access denied > > > > I've followed Dave Sill's qmail installation manual. > > No. If you had, you wouldn't have a problem. ack. > But this isn't enough information for us to make a definitive diagnosis. It is, he hasn't changed the owner of the log directory. multilog has no permission to write the logfiles. -- Henning Brauer | BS Web Services Hostmaster BSWS | Roedingsmarkt 14 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 20459 Hamburg www.bsws.de | Germany
Am Donnerstag, 21. Dezember 2000 11:40 schrieb Joomy Studio: > Hi all, > > Just 4 Questions, please use the qmail-ldap list, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 1. Are there any archive of qmail-ldap ? I'm setting on up. Will be available the next days. > 2. How qmail-ldap works on clusting ? mail arrives -> ldap lookup -> every user has an mailhost-attribute defined in ldap, if mailhost<>me mail is forwarded to mailhost via qmqp > 3. Are there any balance dir creation for user's home dir ? like vpopmail > or vmailmgr don't understand yozr question. > 4. Can I use qmail-ldap + CourierIMAP with auth ldap from the same ldap of > qmail ? yes. > I'm setting up 200K POP3/IMAP/qmail users. > pls. help. > > Thanks in advance. hmm, i'm getting the impression i answered exactly this mail a few days before... -- Henning Brauer | BS Web Services Hostmaster BSWS | Roedingsmarkt 14 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 20459 Hamburg www.bsws.de | Germany
Hello to one and all (especially the list managers) Can I make a suggestion.... Why don't we prefix the subject header with [qmail]. It makes filtering a lot easier. feedback ?
At 04:09 PM 12/22/2000, Dennis wrote: >Hello to one and all (especially the list managers) > >Can I make a suggestion.... >Why don't we prefix the subject header with [qmail]. >It makes filtering a lot easier. > >feedback ? what about a filter like the one I use? Header <any recipient> contains "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" I guess ( ( Header Subject contains [qmail] ) ) has fewer characters, but it's really not that much simpler than checking the recipients... my $.02 Jer
I'm trying to make qmail under my solaris work. I have solaris 2.8 running on Ultra-2. Now here is scenario: I got the q-mail smtpd working (not the way they say in the documentation -- but it works). Now I'm trying to set up virtual users. I want to use vmailmgr because of the web interface + I want to set up real virtual users. Basically I want to set up e-mail accounts for people without actually creating a UNIX account for each user. YET: they should be able to access their virtual mail using a POP server. (Kinda like what hotmail, coolmail.net, and other mail providers do). Anyway: here is my problem: I compiled and installed vmailmgr. Is there any documentation on how to set it up? Does anyone know what configuration files I need to edit?? So anyway, I did like they told me to. I created a user to store all virtual mail. This user is called 'hehe'. Then I edited /var/qmail/control/virtualdomains and added two lines: swaru:hehe localhost:hehe Here is the thing: I DO NOT have a domain YET. SO in my /etc/hosts file, I added swaru as my machine name. SInce I'm not part of any network (it's a system at which is soon going to be a web/mail server), I named my machine swaru (swami + guru :-). Then I did vhost setup under the username hehe. Then I did valiasadd, etc. to finish it off. The two aliases i added to user hehe were 'me' and 'myself' and 'myname' (actually I added three :-) Anyway, when I tried to send mail to me@swaru, or myname@swaru, or myself@swaru, it DOES NOT work. BUT: when I send mail to hehe@swaru, I get the mail delivered. Can someone please help! I would really appreciate it if someone could point me to a very simple and step-by-step documentation. I already read the qmail docs and vmailmgr docs millions of time. They are .... not organized well and annoying thanks so much, -sridhar +-----------------------------------------------+ |Sridhar Balasubramanian -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]| |SolarisFirst.com -- http://www.solarisfirst.com| +-----------------------------------------------+ ____________________________________________ CoolMail(tm). Hear. There. Everywhere.(sm) E-mail by phone - http://www.planetarymotion.com