To Stefan, I thank you all for your help and I am sorry for the response that I sent to the list. Stefan: You were right about the kernel, I did have ecn on. I have another situation which I am looking at fixing. Case insensitive emails, with login and passwords being case sensitive. Currently I use my own hack for it, however is there a better way that is built in that I don't know about. I currently run kernel 2.4 with qmail-1.03 running under tcpserver, with relay-ctrl being the only additional mod. And yes if I have a reason to continue to post its all t he lovely flaming responses I got to my sarcastic remark. Signed, Corey Jarvis