On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 12:08:39PM +0000, Ian Gulliver wrote:
> > Jason Haar writes:
> > > Be careful Russ - Orbs Admins were *definitely* known to block sites who
> > > blocked their scans. After all, if you had nothing to hide - you wouldn't be
> > > doing it...
> >
> > I know. As I say, the more legitimate sites that get blocked, the
> > less valuable ORBZ will become.
>
> ORBZ != ORBS
> We believe that any admin that chooses to block us certainly has the
> right to do so. If they are actually running open relays, the other
> blackhole listings will get them.
>
> > > The term "Net Nazi" still applies methinks. They are very militant (or
> > > idealist - choose your poison) in their attitudes towards others. I just
> > > spent a week getting our site off ONE Orbz listing (we're not relaying of
> > > course). They had some old Orbs list they based their system off, and we
> > > were on there for some ill-begotten reason - they didn't even test it!
>
> Bullshit. We test every server that we list, and even post copies of the
> messages that we relayed through the server to our site as proof.
>
> > Don't bother trying to get off ORBZ. Instead, if anybody complains
> > that they cannot send you mail because you are listed on ORBZ, tell
> > them exactly why ORBZ has listed you. The more mistakes they make,
> > the fewer users they will have.
> >
> > And scanning a site that has never relayed email is a mistake.
We got maybe 15 of these on one of our machines overnight trying various
forms of relay.
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I don't mind the scan per se, what I don't like is not knowing whether or
not that machine is now in the list.
As is the scans **ADD** to my to do list, to find out if the one that
**DID NOT** bounce got the machine added. There's no way to know because
that one would not be in the bounce pile. So I have to dig around at orbz,
subscribe to the local netblock list, tell staff about it.
I **VERY MUCH DISLIKE** anyone adding to my to do list. :-)
A simple tagline on the bounce emails to effect of "ignore this email, you
will receive such and such notice if any succeeds" would be MUCH appreciated
and go a long way to smoothing my ruffled feathers.
On another note, I'm curious how a particular host gets selected for scan.
lists is, well, a list machine.
>
> Oh great one, please bless us with the knowledge to divine whether a site
> has ever relayed mail. I don't know about yours, but my computer isn't
> psychic.
>
> Ian Gulliver
> ORBZ
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