While, I agree with Eric no need to argue your policy. I also believe that allowing improperly setup servers only prolongs their transition to compliance.
On 06/21/2010 09:32 AM, Martin Waschbuesch wrote: > Perfect. > > Oh, and, I only wanted to explain why it'd be important for me to deselect > features of spamdyke that don't fit my needs. > > Martin > > Am 21.06.2010 um 18:09 schrieb Eric Shubert: > > >> You can use whichever features you choose. It's up to you. >> >> Of course fighting spam is always a balancing act with a wide array of >> dependencies. Finding the best balance takes some doing. The flexiblity that >> spamyke provides makes it useful in most circumstances. >> >> Note, I don't necessarily agree with your policy, but I don't see any >> purpose in debating it here. If it works for you, great. However, you can >> use a lot more of spamdyke's filters than one RBL, without getting any false >> positives. >> >> -- >> -Eric 'shubes' >> >> Martin Waschbuesch wrote: >> >>> Thanks for the explanation Eric & Michael, >>> I would like to use SpamDyke, but only very ver conservatively. E.g. if I >>> could block people that I block now (cbl.abuseat.org) during SMTP, that >>> would be great. The other features like greylisting etc., I would not like >>> to use. >>> My own policy (as long as my mail server has the bandwidth to handle it) is >>> to let anything in that *might* be legit. I know that people with wrong DNS >>> setup should not send out mail into the world like that, but I prefer this >>> to just add to their spam score in spamassassin instead of blocking people >>> who just don't know better. (They need educating, not blocking) and it IS >>> hard to explain false positives to endusers... As I explained in a >>> different post, my setup does not throw stuff away, but puts spam into a >>> 'dubious looking' folder and users have to decide what to do with it - >>> which is what they got for complaining about said false positives too often >>> ;-) >>> Anyway, Is it possible to use SpamDyke for just that? a very conservative >>> DNSBL like abuseat and nothing else?? >>> Martin >>> Am 21.06.2010 um 17:01 schrieb Eric Shubert: >>> >>>> I agree with Michael that spamdyke is great. Highly recommended. >>>> >>>> I'd like to clarify the tcpserver -h option though. This option does do an >>>> rDNS lookup which is duplicative with spamdyke, but I think it's best to >>>> do both, as they're used for different purposes. Spamdyke uses rDNS for >>>> blocking. Tcpserver's -h option simply sets the TCPREMOTEHOST variable, >>>> which does no blocking of any kind, but does provide more complete logging >>>> messages. The overhead of the duplicate rDNS lookup is negligible >>>> (immeasurable I expect), since the lookup is cached. That's why I think >>>> it's best to have both. >>>> >>>> Sam C (spamdyke's author) discusses this (and other things) here: >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/spamdyke-us...@spamdyke.org/msg00842.html >>>> >>>> -- >>>> -Eric 'shubes' >>>> >>>> Michael Colvin wrote: >>>> >>>>> Are you using SpamDyke? If so, and you are checking for RDNS there, that >>>>> would seem duplicative to me. I block any mail server that does not have >>>>> RDNS using SpamDyke. Better to stop it there than waste time scanning it >>>>> with SpamAssassin... >>>>> Michael J. Colvin >>>>> NorCal Internet Services >>>>> www.norcalisp.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Martin Waschbuesch [mailto:mar...@waschbuesch.de] >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 1:57 AM >>>>>> To: qmailtoaster-list@qmailtoaster.com >>>>>> Subject: Re: [qmailtoaster] spamassassin >>>>>> >>>>>> Found it myself: >>>>>> >>>>>> In /var/qmail/supervise/smtp/run, I had forgotten to enable rDNS (default >>>>>> seems to be off), by changing the -H flag to -h. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> Martin >>>>>> >>>>>> Am 20.06.2010 um 10:48 schrieb Martin Waschbuesch: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There is something weird I noticed in my logs: every email I receive >>>>>>> >>>>>> gets marked as RDNS_NONE by spamassassin. This was not the case with my >>>>>> previous setup. lookup and reverse lookup work, so I am at a loss as to >>>>>> why this is? 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