Wow this is not a great news about CentOS. I was at Red Hat when it was 
acquired and all my servers are running CentOS. Well for qmailtoater is to look 
at what Roberto has done since his site uses source and builds on Ubuntu but I 
am not that trilled to build that way even though I had one qmail running while 
back using Roberto’s. I think we can all merge what we learn and build 
something great. 

> Il giorno 10 dic 2020, alle ore 07:35, Eric Broch <ebr...@whitehorsetc.com> 
> ha scritto:
> 
> 
> Fellow QMT enthusiasts:
> 
> I became concerned about the future of CentOS a week or so ago (not a 
> premonition just my natural paranoia) prior to their announcement two days 
> back and visited centos.org to relieve my fears. I was confident at that 
> point that having gotten QMT/CentOS 8 ready I was good to go for ~10 years. 
> My confidence MAY have been hasty. I'm still not sure what drawbacks 'stream' 
> is going to bring, if any, and like Angus am apprehensive. It's supposed to 
> be an intermediate environment between Fedora and RHEL. In my opinion, to 
> release CentOS 8 and then move it from downstream to upstream after people 
> have already migrated is short-sighted at the very least, and its name 
> Community Enterprise OS (8) is now a misnomer. Living in somewhat of a 
> cocoon, I was completely unaware that RH "joined" CentOS. I've heard some say 
> that we've been freeloading off CentOS for years and now it's time to pay up. 
> Never mind that a free kernel is used and we actually test the software and 
> report bugs. That said, I have REALLY enjoyed using CentOS since the 
> beginning. 
> 
> That said, having a look at the old spec files from *-toaster designation 
> days when we built the QMT for specific platforms, Fedora, was among them 
> along with Suse, Mandrake, so, at the beginning QMT was used in a 
> non-Enterprise environment. Anyway...
> 
> Personally, I'm interested in both Debian and FreeBSD and would like to go 
> back halfway to multi-platform builds while keeping the current QMT/CentOS 8 
> offering. This would mitigate the problems, if there are any, we are seeing 
> now (hopefully). I guess it just depends on when (or if) the mega-corps buy 
> up all of the Linux distributions and hang us all out to dry. Given the 
> Felliniesque nature of the world today nothing would surprise me anymore.
> 
> One advantage of having a ports like mail server is the ability, if one is 
> inclined to dig a little beyond binary installs, to make changes on the fly 
> without having to wait for packages from the repo.
> 
> I've tried to install FreeBSD, although somewhat half-heartedly, on Proxmox 
> serveral times with no success. If anyone has any hints I'm all ears...just 
> my 2 cents.
> 
> So, if anyone is working on installing QMT on another platform please keep us 
> apprised of your successes. If you feel like writing it up, I'll post it to 
> the web site.
> 
> I'll be looking into converting to *.deb packages (like rpm's, binary ease of 
> install) in some way (I tried using alien...on the website) which can be used 
> on Ubuntu and Debian Linux. Back to work for me...
> 
> Eric B.
> 
>> On 12/9/2020 7:31 PM, Tony White wrote:
>> Hi all, 
>>   Anyone interested in BSD either Free or Open?
>> I am starting to work on building a FreeBSD version 
>> of this for myself. Would like to know if anyone 
>> else is interested. 
>> 
>> best wishes 
>>   Tony White 
>> 
>>> On 10/12/20 6:49 am, Unai Rodriguez wrote: 
>>> Debian! 
>>> 
>>> -- unai 
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2020, at 8:20 PM, Boheme wrote: 
>>>> I’ve been meaning to learn to compile all the source for Ubuntu for a 
>>>> while. This may be the kick in the pants I needed. 
>>>> 
>>>> -Sent from my Pip-Boy 3000 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 10/12/2020, at 12:50 AM, Angus McIntyre <an...@pobox.com> wrote: 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Does anyone have any thoughts on the likely future of qmailtoaster given 
>>>>> the new plans for CentOS? 
>>>>> 
>>>>> (See https://centos.org/distro-faq/ for more details) 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'd never actually heard of CentOS Stream before today, but having just 
>>>>> painfully built a working toaster on top of CentOS 8, I'm a little 
>>>>> apprehensive about the impact of the proposed changes. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Comments? 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Angus 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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