Jean-Baptiste, whenever I read your posts regarding this topic, I get the feeling that what you want is that somebody else (e.g. the qooxdoo core team and/or 1&1) will run an intense and largely successful image campaign for qooxdoo in France, including setting up promotional material in French, posting ads in French TV and magazines, and organizing exclusive qooxdoo-centric conferences for decision makers in Paris.
But I don't think this will happen. T. On 09/13/2010 04:12 PM, Jean-Baptiste BRIAUD -- Novlog wrote: > Hi Fritz, > > Yes, why not for a longer perspective but at that time we needed quick and > local help. > We couldn't afford the extra cost of travel/hotel for the consultancy and > didn't wanted to have remote help. > > There are also lots of other reasons why a local ecosystem is important : > people get accustomed to qooxdoo, they heard of it before I talk about it, ... > With existing ecosystem, qooxdoo become a choice, otherwise, people don't > want to consider that option because they don't have that ecosystem for > themselves. > This is typical to start using a pump : you need water first to start the > pump but you have bought the pump because you don't have water. > Company here sometimes don't choose qooxdoo because there is no qooxdoo > ecosystem and that's just increase the lack of qooxdoo ecosystem in France. > Other apparent competitor already have that critical mass and that's why it > is important for qooxdoo to have it out of Germany/Switzerland. > I said "apparent" competitor because we all know why it is not true on a > technical point of view but that's not the only point of view, unfortunately > for Qooxdoo. > > Thank you for you reply. Unfortunately the lack of other reply on that > ecosystem question show how it is not perceive as a problem and why it won't > change quickly I'm afraid. > So, how will qooxdoo get that critical mass outside Germany/Switzerland ? > We already twit, comments on some blog like ajaxian, contribute, ... and > still there are only 2 known companies in France (I hope there are a little > more than we know). > This big question for me is How can qooxdoo think it will compete to other > "web framework" with lots of "acquired" companies ? > By compete, I mean be known, become a possible choice. How could you choose > something you just don't know it exists ? > I know several really good products that just die to be the best on a > technical point of view, maybe they thought only technical point of view > counted, anyway, they are no more there to explain us their choice ... > > We don't have to loose momentum, this is as important as being the best > technical tools. > I'm not sure if all that kind of things are just "bad ideas" or if only few > of us care about it or if I'm so unclear that nobody understand why so much > noise for nothing or ... something else ? > > ... and please, don't tell me I can use other product if I'm not satisfied. > This would be a way to escape the problem and BTW I am really globally > satisfied, I would not care about a product I'm not satisfied with. > This is because we plan to use qooxdoo on a long term perspective that I care > so much. > > On 13 sept. 2010, at 15:43, Fritz Zaucker wrote: > >> Hi Jean-Baptiste, >> >> On Fri, 10 Sep 2010, Jean-Baptiste BRIAUD -- Novlog wrote: >> >>> On 10 sept. 2010, at 04:55, Leandro Santiago wrote: >>> >>>> (IMHO) In this case, is essential to create an ecossystem around qooxdoo >>> >>> Yes, fully agree. In France, qooxdoo is mainly unknown. I was not able to >>> get paid consultancy ! >> >> how about looking across the border? Many places in Switzerland are >> closer to you than some places in France ... >> >> Cheers, >> Fritz >> >> -- >> Oetiker+Partner AG tel: +41 62 775 9903 (direct) >> Fritz Zaucker +41 62 775 9900 (switch board) >> Aarweg 15 +41 79 675 0630 (mobile) >> CH-4600 Olten fax: +41 62 775 9905 >> Schweiz web: www.oetiker.ch >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Start uncovering the many advantages of virtual appliances >> and start using them to simplify application deployment and >> accelerate your shift to cloud computing >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/novell-sfdev2dev >> _______________________________________________ >> qooxdoo-devel mailing list >> qooxdoo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/qooxdoo-devel > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Start uncovering the many advantages of virtual appliances > and start using them to simplify application deployment and > accelerate your shift to cloud computing > http://p.sf.net/sfu/novell-sfdev2dev > _______________________________________________ > qooxdoo-devel mailing list > qooxdoo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/qooxdoo-devel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Start uncovering the many advantages of virtual appliances and start using them to simplify application deployment and accelerate your shift to cloud computing http://p.sf.net/sfu/novell-sfdev2dev _______________________________________________ qooxdoo-devel mailing list qooxdoo-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/qooxdoo-devel
